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Puerto Carreno cargo 722 crash

Old 21st Dec 2016, 03:26
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Puerto Carreno cargo 722 crash

Reports and videos on youtube of a Aurosucre cargo 727 crash after hitting perimeter fence on takeoff.............

https://youtu.be/6r_Vokp-InE


https://youtu.be/2DxOZI-oFCg

' Normal ' takeoff for comparison in October 2016 - didn't appear to be much room left...............

https://youtu.be/Syl3tCqKbSs

https://youtu.be/rPU0_YkMc7w

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727 cargo crash in Colombia

Local news reporting an Aerosucre 727 crashing soon after take-off at Puerto Carreño, Colombia en route to Bogota. Unclear whether there were 5 or 6 crew on board, 4 of which are apparently confirmed dead.

There's a video of an Aerosucre 727 clearly overrunning the runway on take-off, although it's not clear if the crash occurs immediately after:

htts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6YIZQw7EA

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Old 21st Dec 2016, 03:43
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Another angle in this clip:

https://youtu.be/wOyPsZUCr0s
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 03:58
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It seems the crash was not immediately after.
here another video,
it seems to be dumping fuel and returning to SKPC



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5Csb0D5dA
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One of their previous close shaves..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEGj1rH1r0

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Old 21st Dec 2016, 06:31
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I would expect AeroSucre to go out of business within the next few days, due to the police confiscating their administration.
Just like Lamia.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 07:22
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Is there a brief flash at the tailpipe just as it crosses the road? if it dragged the tail through several 10's or 100's meters it is possible to do a lot of damage. And all the power-plants are there .. Such a shame, but they did similar bazzoka take-off before, unbelievable ..
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The performance calculations of these departures are likely interesting reading...
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 08:23
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Originally Posted by Manutara View Post
Local news reporting an Aerosucre 727 crashing soon after take-off at Puerto Carreño, Colombia en route to Bogota. Unclear whether there were 5 or 6 crew on board, 4 of which are apparently confirmed dead.

There's a video of an Aerosucre 727 clearly overrunning the runway on take-off, although it's not clear if the crash occurs immediately after:

htts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6YIZQw7EA
In this one you can see it crashing and it's aftermath: https://youtu.be/KWg7Fcw2oeA
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 08:45
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Hmm...previous takeoffs from same runway were not that confidence inspiring either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEGj1rH1r0&app=desktop

It seems to be on the bleeding edge of envelope. Old airframe, cargo operations, short runway...all it takes is slight load shift, a miniscule miscalculation or overload. I wonder what caused it...engines seem to work fine.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 08:46
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This clip shows a crash. Were they attempting to return, or was this shot from a different location?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5Csb0D5dA

Disregard. I see this video was in the first post.

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Old 21st Dec 2016, 09:07
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According to current info (unverified), they overrun, got airborne, did a hard turn and crashed. He seems to be banking hard and pulling streamers from wing tips from 0:27
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 09:26
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On the videos

Hello,

On this video: https://youtu.be/Syl3tCqKbSs at 0:15 you can see a small construction, on this one:
at 0:34 you can see the acft hitting it.

Also on
at 0:29 you can see what could be a compressor stall (small burst of flames) on ENG 2.

Let´s wait for the investigation to conclude......

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I can't help but wonder..., Where are the POI's of these papa's and mama's outfits making several flights using their reserve as part of their burn off fuel..., and making several of these takeoffs where the fence has to duck...?????

Besides their respective offices making the paperwork look pretty for ICAO that is...!
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 09:49
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You don't need to wait for an investigation to realise that something was obviously seriously wrong before that aircraft even started its take-off run.

Even if an engine failed, it should have been possible to continue and get safely airborne from the runway. This aircraft still had its MLG on the ground as it reached the perimeter fence.

Clearly the performance calculations were wrong: either incorrect data, or incorrect loading, or serious overloading, or not even calculated at all?
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 09:57
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I remember in Colombia on the DC-3s they'd fly with the tail door off with the loadmaster ready to jettison cargo in case of mechanical issues. In this case... do the same with the fuel.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 09:59
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It seems they somehow managed to get airborne despite being way "beyond the curve" with the takeoff run...

Isn't 6000ft a bit short for a fully loaded 727, even at sea level ?
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Surely the guys at AeroSucre were aware of the cowboy approach to aviaton by Lamia. The Lamia accident 3 weeks ago was the most outrageous scandal of 2016, and everyone was talking about it on the continent.
So what were they thinking the past three weeks? "The Lamia accident was caused by a total disregard of basic airmanship and reckless flying. But we don't operate like that, nope."
How many other cowboy outfits are there in South America? And how many additional accidents do we need to effectuate some change?
There are so many videos available of AeroSucre clearing the fence by 2 feet, it's rediculous. At the expense of the lives of this crew.
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On the videos

- you can also see that the 727 has knocked down the reinforced concrete fence posts on both sides of the road. That must have hurt a bit. It's perhaps surprising the aircraft stayed airborne as long as it did. As it banks to the right it's clearly trailing vapour, which appears to thicken in the final second or so.

I don't speak Spanish and don't understand what the spectators were saying but they keep repeating a particular phrase. Can anyone translate this, please? I'm amazed one of them didn't get clouted.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 11:44
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You're obviously well into RTOW territory with the 722 off an 1,800m runway even at SL. At MTOW the TODR is around 3,000m.
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