New jumpseat regulations?
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JW411,
For convenience, let us assume that my aircraft is configured for 100 seats, all of which are full.
By making a single jumpseat available for family members (flying on an ID 90) for use when the aircraft is overbooked (which they often are these days) you boost revenue from the flight by 0.1%, which obviously doesn't ammount to very much for an individual flight, but on a companies with revenues of Billions, a potential 0.1% is not to be sniffed at.
CPB
P.S.
Your arguements might be a little more convincing if you weren't so condescending......
P.P.S.
You also confuse 'cost' with 'worth'.
For convenience, let us assume that my aircraft is configured for 100 seats, all of which are full.
By making a single jumpseat available for family members (flying on an ID 90) for use when the aircraft is overbooked (which they often are these days) you boost revenue from the flight by 0.1%, which obviously doesn't ammount to very much for an individual flight, but on a companies with revenues of Billions, a potential 0.1% is not to be sniffed at.
CPB
P.S.
Your arguements might be a little more convincing if you weren't so condescending......
P.P.S.
You also confuse 'cost' with 'worth'.
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Thanks foxmoth
BTW, on the topic .....
I agree with you about the new restrictions, have always considered the FAA rule regarding jumpseats to be silly (and a curious exception to the FAA's admirable approach to aviation in general) and don't think it makes the slightest difference to security.
Whilst we obviouly can't ignore security threats, if we over-react, and abandon the freedoms we've enjoyed, in many ways the terrorists have won because they've forced us to change our way of life.
BTW, on the topic .....
I agree with you about the new restrictions, have always considered the FAA rule regarding jumpseats to be silly (and a curious exception to the FAA's admirable approach to aviation in general) and don't think it makes the slightest difference to security.
Whilst we obviouly can't ignore security threats, if we over-react, and abandon the freedoms we've enjoyed, in many ways the terrorists have won because they've forced us to change our way of life.
Capt Pit Bull:
The same result could be achieved by offloading one ID90 passenger and filling the seat with a full-fare passenger. In fact this would be a more efficient solution for the take-off weight would be slightly reduced.
By the way, it is "argument" not "arguement".
The same result could be achieved by offloading one ID90 passenger and filling the seat with a full-fare passenger. In fact this would be a more efficient solution for the take-off weight would be slightly reduced.
By the way, it is "argument" not "arguement".
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Hi all,
Can I take this opportunity to ask a question regarding the current jumpseating availabilities within the US.
I fly for an airline that is based outside the USA, and hold a current licence for a country outside the USA, though I do hold a current C1D1, US crew entry visa in my passport, as is the requirement.
I regularly layover in the US, mainly JFK, and am wondering if I can get access to the jump seat on domestic flights, if not pax, then maybe freight, maybe Fedex.
Can anyone give me any idea on the current situation?
Cheers
Can I take this opportunity to ask a question regarding the current jumpseating availabilities within the US.
I fly for an airline that is based outside the USA, and hold a current licence for a country outside the USA, though I do hold a current C1D1, US crew entry visa in my passport, as is the requirement.
I regularly layover in the US, mainly JFK, and am wondering if I can get access to the jump seat on domestic flights, if not pax, then maybe freight, maybe Fedex.
Can anyone give me any idea on the current situation?
Cheers
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Jump seat rider
I'm very sorry to hear about this new FAA regulation. As a BA ground staff member I've had the pleasure of many jump seat rides over the years and I can honestly say that those jump seat rides have been real highlights. Undoubtedly these have been a huge inspiration in my goal of becoming an airline pilot and it's a shame that others will not be given the same opportunity.
Of late I have been refused jump seat rides sometimes when I have asked and I have been told it is at Captain's discretion. I feel that leaving it to Captain's discretion is the best policy - he can make a sensible judgement on the day - not a suit in Washington.
Yet another move towards the 'Nanny state' I fear.
Desk-pilot
Of late I have been refused jump seat rides sometimes when I have asked and I have been told it is at Captain's discretion. I feel that leaving it to Captain's discretion is the best policy - he can make a sensible judgement on the day - not a suit in Washington.
Yet another move towards the 'Nanny state' I fear.
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I regularly layover in the US, mainly JFK, and am wondering if I can get access to the jump seat on domestic flights, if not pax, then maybe freight, maybe Fedex.
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I said things would get worse and they just have. Phase 2 doors are to be fitted to all UK registered a/c over 45 tonnes by April 2003 and there will be strict limits on who may have flight deck access irrespective of route and destination. Those who thought that we would slowly slip back into the old ways were sadly mistaken.
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TR4A,
Right now FedEx are only allowing the companies own crew-members, technicians & dispatchers/loadmasters to ride the jumpseats as they are all FAA certificate holders of sorts, and these are normally in the galley jumpseats only. Jumpseating on the 727,s is currently no-go as there are no galley jumpseats installed. Jumpseat authorisation for the above is basically down to captains discretion and he can turn away a FedEx employee if he so wishes. However, i know the FPA are working hard on getting it back for non-FedEx crews so they can get reciprocal rights!!
Right now FedEx are only allowing the companies own crew-members, technicians & dispatchers/loadmasters to ride the jumpseats as they are all FAA certificate holders of sorts, and these are normally in the galley jumpseats only. Jumpseating on the 727,s is currently no-go as there are no galley jumpseats installed. Jumpseat authorisation for the above is basically down to captains discretion and he can turn away a FedEx employee if he so wishes. However, i know the FPA are working hard on getting it back for non-FedEx crews so they can get reciprocal rights!!
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JW411,
Which will have happened automatically, since ID90 is subload. Then instead of throwing the ID90 pax off, you put them on the J/S (if acceptable to crew), thereby boosting revenue by .1% in the example given. Which, given the narrow margins, is very significant.
Whichever way you cut it, the combination of staff travel and known jumpseat availability generates revenue.
BTW, I can't spell to save my live. Don't bother wasting bandwidth correcting me.
CPB
Which will have happened automatically, since ID90 is subload. Then instead of throwing the ID90 pax off, you put them on the J/S (if acceptable to crew), thereby boosting revenue by .1% in the example given. Which, given the narrow margins, is very significant.
Whichever way you cut it, the combination of staff travel and known jumpseat availability generates revenue.
BTW, I can't spell to save my live. Don't bother wasting bandwidth correcting me.
CPB
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11 September would not have been avoided by having these regs in place. As SLF who is a PPL and works with the aviation industry I have have enjoyed several jumpseat flights on UK airlines. I fly a huge amount and have only ever requested JS on full flights or if I have been on a new type.
A number of years ago on a BA flight from LHR-PHL I was sitting in Club and got talking to the pax next to me. It turned out she was the skippers daugher and she said if I wanted to visit the flightdeck I should ask. I did as she suggested and after talking to the skipper he invited to stay in the cockit for as long as I wanted and was welcome to stay for landing. I took up his offer and enjoyed every minute of it. The FD crew were very friendly and seemed happy for me to be there.
My last jumpseat flight was on a bmi 321 from LHR to EDI just prior to 11/9. I arrived for an earlier flight but it was full. I told the ground staff I would take the JS and they said they would ask the Capt. He agreed. It was a great flight and I enjoyed my time with the crew. I am not an "anorak" and we ened up talking more about my job than theirs!
I'm sad that I will probabl never experience this again.
A number of years ago on a BA flight from LHR-PHL I was sitting in Club and got talking to the pax next to me. It turned out she was the skippers daugher and she said if I wanted to visit the flightdeck I should ask. I did as she suggested and after talking to the skipper he invited to stay in the cockit for as long as I wanted and was welcome to stay for landing. I took up his offer and enjoyed every minute of it. The FD crew were very friendly and seemed happy for me to be there.
My last jumpseat flight was on a bmi 321 from LHR to EDI just prior to 11/9. I arrived for an earlier flight but it was full. I told the ground staff I would take the JS and they said they would ask the Capt. He agreed. It was a great flight and I enjoyed my time with the crew. I am not an "anorak" and we ened up talking more about my job than theirs!
I'm sad that I will probabl never experience this again.
