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787-9 Verboten Moves for Farnbourough

Old 7th Jul 2016, 23:05
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Cool 787-9 Verboten Moves for Farnbourough

Current July 2016 video

Boeing pilots release video of 787 Dreamliner acrobatic moves not allowed at Farnborough | The Seattle Times

Boeing pilots release video of 787 Dreamliner acrobatic moves not allowed at Farnborough
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As mentioned in Tech Log... glorified wing waggles!
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for crying out loud... A touch an go an "acrobatic" maneuver???

OOh look a plane has to bank when it turns, how dangerous.

There has to be another reason for this.
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Originally Posted by fr8tmastr
for crying out loud... A touch an go an "acrobatic" maneuver???
It's not a touch and go that's banned - it's the T&G followed by an immediate banking turn with a wing drop that earned Boeing a red card at the last Farnborough show.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5HGMlRSdQ at around 1:10 in.

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Originally Posted by CONSO
Current July 2016 video

Boeing pilots release video of 787 Dreamliner acrobatic moves not allowed at Farnborough | The Seattle Times

Boeing pilots release video of 787 Dreamliner acrobatic moves not allowed at Farnborough
And for comparison- watch the practice for 2014 farnbourgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918

and the practice for paris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPCqFC1IJ0
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Does this mean they can't get it to barrel-roll like the 707 prototype???????

Presumably ANA Procurement Dept will be demanding a hefty discount on their 'used' airframe!
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Perhaps best to forget Farnborough and go to Moses Lake when they're practicing for other less restrictive shows
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KNbKFMBsQE
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Does this mean they can't get it to barrel-roll like the 707 prototype???????
Yes, the 787 will do it in line svc.

RNP approaches capitalizing on that are due very soon.
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Oh well, they weren't supposed to roll the 707 either.
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Cool ON 707 - dash 80 - roll

Many years ago I had a chat with a guy who claimed he was flying chase for Tex Johnson when he did the famous roll. Yet no published pics show a chase plane that close. His story goes like this.

First understand that on that day, the dash-80 ( 707) was going thru normal flight test stuff, and got permission to make a low alt pass over the hydroplane races.

As chase at that time, an f-86 with modified gun cameras were used for certain tests.

As chase he knew the flight plans for the day- and a roll was NOT in the plan- but a low alt pass was.


His story was that he was in trail far back at that time so as to NOT distract from the flyover.

He was focused on the dash -80 and following every turn and altitude change. He had been an airforce f-86 pilot before working at Boeing

As tex started the roll, he instinctively followed- and supposedly his gun cameras were on for that pass.

As he went upside down- he thought maybe Tex had a problem- and there he was- low altitude- upside down and if the plane ahead came unglued he was a goner.

So he started a mayday call - immediately tex came on and said ' shutup kid ' - startled he un keyed.

When he landed, all hell broke loose- The then equivalent to the FAA wanted his license.

They were certain he had to have known what tex would do- that it was a no no etc.

Luckily, tapes were available of the transmissions- proving he was startled .

He was insistent that somewhere in BA archives are his gun camera films. Never to be shown

As a matter of record- Bill Allen wanted it kept out of the local papers- and it was. Even though over 50,000 people on and around lake washington saw it.

Bill Allen never mentioned it publically until he retired . .

And FWIW Tex later was claimed to have said he had done such a roll in every moddel airplane he was involved in flight test.

He was test pilot on the B-52

FWIW
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Rolling? No big deal if you know what you're doing. Even Concorde was rolled twice, once left, once right.
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From the horses mouth!
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900228&slug=1058594

Video of the roll

http://youtu.be/Ra_khhzuFlE
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and for a B-47 version go to about 7 minutes in the video found at
Boeing B47 combat manuevers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cIgTAtj4E4
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Johnston says there was never any danger to the fans below. The maneuver pulled only ``one g'' - the exact force of gravity - and was almost like sitting in an easy chair.
We could have a juicy discussion about that...
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I do wonder how the airborne camera helicopter is getting away with hurtling around Silverstone, after all anywhere near the track is all parking and people.
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