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Old 3rd Jul 2002, 09:43
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1. Wasn't/isn't there a (pending) court case, where mainline/ALPA intended to have the establishment of AACS being declared illegal by a court and then to get rid of AACS ?
This step was/is not intended to include AACS in the Seniority List, but to get rid of AACS only.

2. Would have AACS crewmember been obliged to look to pprune to be informed about the pending strike and to know about the definition of struck work ?
There was never any official or informal information to the AACS crewmembers when the strike will start and what are the definitions of struck work.
Therefore I think the coordination, cooperation between ALPA and BALPA and support from BALPA was at least questionable. And you guys have (most of) our (email) adresses - as BALPA has - and you know, who are our Representatives to the Employee Forum at AACS and how to get hold of them. But nobody contacted us/them - why ?
However, as there was no strike this matter is history, but it should be taken care in the future. You can' t name anybody a scab, just as you like it, if you don't inform him at least properly about the situation. And even then, you have to respect diferent laws and regulations - US is not the world.

3. Quote: If the new T/As scope clause is the same as the old one, Mainliners will now be included, but AAMT still gets to keep us separate. Now AACS guys, will have supper seniority over the Mainliners who have worked at Atlas for much longer, however the original AACSers will not work under our T/A with any of the same protections. What is good is that all new positions and new hires, whether they are foreign or not, will go on our list, under our contract. So, through attrition you guys are bye bye.

a. You state it here very clear: You/mainline/ALPA are not interested to calm down any problems with the "old" AACSers - for whatever reason - otherwise you would have made a clear cut: All or none of the AACSers are in the same Seniority List as the Mainliners. This solution is a very dirty one !!

b. As you know, we at AACS have different work rules and a different salary - not only by contract but as well by law.

Please show me and proof now, that the new hires (since NOV 2001) will have the same working conditions and salary than the mainliners starting at the same time as your contract is activated.

Or do I understand something wrong here: They will be on the Mainliniers Seniority List but under different, less good working conditions and less salary ? You pick the raisins and f*** the others ? That will not work ! Are they ALPA members and are they paying their membership fee ?

Thanks for the calm words and the open hand.

I think as well that we should sit together and clearify many details (of the TA), as I think, that several details won't work (e.g. under British regulations). US law and regulations don't work all over the world in the same way.

The problem with getting organized is mainly with BALPA not with AACS: As AACS is not an airline (regardless of the ownership by AAWWH or whoever owns AACS) but a British crew leasing company only, BALPA does not know exactly, if and how we fit into their scheme.
It is of course a problem, as we are "leased out" to Atlas, BA (still, as GSS is operating only 1 of the 2 aircraft) and now shortly to TNT. Who is the (one) airline, BALPA should talk with, if there is any problem ?
ALPA has the same problem, as their mandate ends at the US borders.
However, we asked BALPA several times to start the legally required organisation process, but they didn't (yet). Beside the above mentioned problems it looks like, that they are not the British AIRLINE but the British AIRWAYS Pilot Organisation, not being interested in 130 England based pilots. But as BALPA and ALPA under the same international IFALPA umbrella, I personally think it should be BALPA, who represents us.
We will try it again - let's see how it will work.
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Old 3rd Jul 2002, 20:11
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"1. Wasn't/isn't there a (pending) court case, where mainline/ALPA intended to have the establishment of AACS being declared illegal by a court and then to get rid of AACS ?
This step was/is not intended to include AACS in the Seniority List, but to get rid of AACS only. "


Read the filing of the law suit! It specifically asked the court to declare AACS Crewmembers as within the class & craft of Atlas Crewmembers, and to put them under ALPA representation.

Please get your facts straight. Your "Employee Forum" representative has the facts available. Whether or not he has choosen to share them with you is yet another question...
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