Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Passengers not being checked

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Passengers not being checked

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:08
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Passengers not being checked

Foreigners slip immigration, Malaysia Airlines gets warning - Malaysiakini

Does anyone have more details?
Carjockey is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:33
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,039
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That's an issue for immigration officials, not pilots.
PENKO is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:46
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Off the map
Posts: 59
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
My thoughts as well.
What are the exact responsibilities of the airline? Making sure that all pax go through customs? Isn't that the job of the airport management?
DirtyProp is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:54
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Age: 67
Posts: 167
Received 33 Likes on 19 Posts
sorry, where does the article blame any pilot?
golfbananajam is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 10:02
  #5 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am not looking to apportion blame, I'm asking if anyone has further details.
Carjockey is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 10:29
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: world
Posts: 3,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Probably for the SLF forum. I would guess it's the handling agency that's to blame. If MAS do their own handling then, yes, it will be MAS that gets their hand slapped.
Hotel Tango is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:14
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Or-E-Gun, USA
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
An Amusing Tale, But...

If find this both amusing and possibly a serious security breach. That sad, and as noted by several others, how is this relevant to pilots? Pilots drive airplanes, usually in the safest way possible (although at MAS that may be questionable). They are not immigration officers!
No Fly Zone is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:33
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,039
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How would this be a security breach? Upset immigration officers yes. Upset handling agent yes. Maybe some illegal aliens entered the country. Maybe some toursist don't have the required stamps. But other than that?

Aircraft from Myanmar diverts to Langkawi due to bad wx at destination Kuala Lumpur. Not all pax pass through immigration. On the subsequent flight to Kuala Lumpur the pax are all handled as domestic. Where is the security risk?
PENKO is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 12:16
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 6,553
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
how is this relevant to pilots?
I can be as keen on the "driver, airframe" approach as the next pilot on occasions but certainly our Ops manual (and national law) makes it very clear that the aircraft commander is responsible for making sure that passengers and crew comply with local customs and immigration procedures - especially in the case of a diversion.

Now that may well be delegated to a local handling agent but it's worth knowing who might end carrying at least part of the blame if the agents stuff up...or don't show up at all.
wiggy is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 12:37
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,039
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If you are parked at a remote stand in Langkawi, how can you possibly know as a pilot wether your passengers are coached/walked to the correct entry? I don't know Langkawi operationally, but looking at my own destinations, sometimes it is clear that my passengers are going through a domestic arrival gate, but other times I would not have a clue. That responsibility is delegated to the handler. Same as I don't personally count the bags in the cargo holds...

I do take your point on board that during a diversion one might have to double check wether pax have been through immigration already. Having said that, I still don't see the big deal. These things happen. It's not newsworthy.
PENKO is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 13:18
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 6,553
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Fair point, I accept it depends where you are.

I certainly know of one major airport where a few captains have been hauled over the coals because passengers had not complied with a required immigration process (funnily enough international passengers ending up on a domestic gate, yes, a ground handling stuff up, but the P1's got it in the neck..."because they should have known") so I'm very wary of using the "it's nothing to do with us, we're only pilots" line of defence....at the very least I make sure I'm on record as having tried to make sure things were done properly...
wiggy is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2015, 17:16
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Europe
Age: 45
Posts: 625
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PENKO
That responsibility is delegated to the handler.
Not quite. You may outsource the work, but never the responsibility.
SMT Member is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.