BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR
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VS or THS
My initial impression was that we are looking into the structure box of the VS. Because it appears to be rather 'beefy'. Problem with the picture is that you have no scale reference and there is too much light (cant see the color).
Could the curved part on the front-left be where the rudder rotates.
Photo is not 'sharp' enough to be 100% sure, but i think you guys are right. One of the points that i look at is what appears to be the mounting lug left hand upper skin. Right hand sight is not clear enough for me yet to be 100% sure that it is complete but indeed more likely. Both components are CFRP so that is not a differentiator.
This means that that this component was sheared off flush with the skin. Probability that both sides shear off at exactly the same moment appears to be relatively low. So this departure would have a significant effect.
Hope that Kulver finds even better pictures :-)
Could the curved part on the front-left be where the rudder rotates.
Photo is not 'sharp' enough to be 100% sure, but i think you guys are right. One of the points that i look at is what appears to be the mounting lug left hand upper skin. Right hand sight is not clear enough for me yet to be 100% sure that it is complete but indeed more likely. Both components are CFRP so that is not a differentiator.
This means that that this component was sheared off flush with the skin. Probability that both sides shear off at exactly the same moment appears to be relatively low. So this departure would have a significant effect.
Hope that Kulver finds even better pictures :-)
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If you look at the pictures of the tail section you can see that the complete leading edge part of the VS is present. Here we see a leading edge piece at the base. Therefore this must be the HS.
If you look at the pictures of the tail section you can see that the complete leading edge part of the VS is present. Here we see a leading edge piece at the base. Therefore this must be the HS.
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Yes it is one side of the tailplane/horizontal stabilizer, see here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg
enormous forces at work, or?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg
enormous forces at work, or?
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You are doing a great job on this thread, updating us with Russian pics, videos and factual info, without ever resorting to silly speculation. Just wanted to say thank you. Much appreciated.
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Last edited by Kulverstukas; 3rd Nov 2015 at 19:44.
toy?
Kulverstukas,
Feeding Google Translate the URL you posted gave me text for a version of the page time-stamped 23:26 on November 3 with the intriguing sentence:
The original Russian for which this translation was provided was stated to be
Comments?
Feeding Google Translate the URL you posted gave me text for a version of the page time-stamped 23:26 on November 3 with the intriguing sentence:
One of the objects found today became broken down into two parts of a toy airplane.
Одним из предметов, найденных сегодня, стал разломанный на две части игрушечный самолётик
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The part of the HS where the torque box construction broke off and where the stringers stick out now looks strange to me: lots of dark decoloration, which gets very intense at the bottom. Can the torque box have been soaked with hydraulic fluid from the VS actuators above?
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Thanks for update
Just before shot of HS were images of what I assume are parts of the missing rear fuselage ( no burn marks noticed) were they in the same geographical area, if they were not do you know distance from fuselage bits to HS, and in a line to the main wreckage which order are they (if well apart)
Just before shot of HS were images of what I assume are parts of the missing rear fuselage ( no burn marks noticed) were they in the same geographical area, if they were not do you know distance from fuselage bits to HS, and in a line to the main wreckage which order are they (if well apart)
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One of the objects found today became broken down into two parts of a toy airplane
One of the objects found today became broken down into two parts of a toy airplane
As a some example of terrible and moving thing found he told about toy plane broken in half.
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do you know distance from fuselage bits to HS
Also was mentioned that all major debris was located and collected and that EMERCOM guys (in full uniform, despite +35C) make human chain and "comb" the area.
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Thank you for your observation reg. my comment on picture in post #714, sounds a good point about the flap. Saw another picture closer up showing the hole is rather rectangular. Also, thank you for your side info, links and translations 
Yes it is one side of the tailplane/horizontal stabilizer, see here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg
enormous forces at work, or?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg
enormous forces at work, or?
Yes indeed! Looks like enormous loads and violent disintegration of the HS. Must have been huge vertical loads. Something must have changed the AoA of the HS drastically in a very short time. Possibly something heavily hitting/severing the jackscrew or its mounts?
Is it possible to observe from the photograph of the HS, in particular the remnants of the attachment material, in which direction the forces which caused it to detach may have been acting?