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BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR

Old 1st Nov 2015, 14:40
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2) insider with a bomb due to poor security. Egyptian authorities would be keen to play this down. But from the pax list this seems unlikely, as they were all Russian, unless something was planted in the cargo, so it can't be completey ruled out.
It is more likely if you know the current situation in Chechnya. Even with only russian citicens on Board. Chechens as I know are Muslims too.

A hydraulic failure is my best bet for the main reason at the moment, as the Airbus Rules dont let you do maneuvers on such a high G-Load that the Airframe would break apart.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 14:46
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This would seem to fit the profile of a barometric device with a timer, perhaps loaded at Sharm.

I don't know many other things that would chop a 321 in half.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 14:56
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The aircraft reportedly went back into service in mid-February 2002, some 3 months later. So even allowing for a bit of initial argy-bargying over the repair scheme and the admin, it sounds like some fairly extensive work needed to be done.
It would have made sense that if the aircraft was down for structural check or modification that heavy check items were completed during the downtime, including engine, APU or gear depending on the remaining times of LLP's.

Without looking at the Mx records it's just pure speculation.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 14:58
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A high altitude break up is hardly a ground breaking 'discovery' that was known, pretty much, in the opening hours.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Mick Stability View Post
I don't know many other things that would chop a 321 in half.
Apart from an aft pressure bulkhead or main longeron or other structural failure due to previous damage and subsequent corrosion/fracture propagation, e.g. due to a tail strike...


Let's not rush to conclusions
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:07
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black boxes do not tell all, but with absence of other evidence it may be the best we'll get.
Debris analysis by competent and educated team can tell a whole lot. Aircraft loss causes have been determined by debris analysis. The NTSB and AAIB has done some incredible work in the past on such.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:22
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Those of us with long memories will remember the accident to GAPEC in Belgium where the rear pressure bulkhead failed due to leakage from an adjacent toilet which cased hidden corrosion. The break up sequence appeared similar.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:28
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res is plane crash site, blue - debris found.

more photos here: http://aviaforum.ru/threads/katastro...a.42685/page-5
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:36
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In photo 3 above, are those the engines shown in the middle box?
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:38
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Not saying it is the case here, esp. we don't know much,

if pilot or co-pilot states displeasure with mechanical condition of a commercial airliner, can/will the administrators over ride and insist that the flight be flown as is? I don't think it happens like that in N. America but what about elsewhere?

Feeling bad about this crash, something stinks.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:42
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Debris field narrow ellipse aprox 8 km by 4 km.

Russian CAA ordered Metrojet to hault A321 operations (not at once though) for tech inspection in coming days.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:46
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Photos EPA / Khaled Elfiqi (1/1) via aviaforum.ru





























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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:46
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:47
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WM, there are degrees of displeasure and degrees of aircrew reaction to management pressure.

Not suggesting that here but lots of aircraft are known to be 'rogue' in one way or another. They are not necessarily unsafe just awkward to fly. What the 1st pilot is alleged to have said to his wife is on the lower order. Now if she says he complained to management that is something else.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:50
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:50
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Does the AB 321 Contain significant carbon fibre in its construction?
If so that debris field will be very dangerous.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:51
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What the 1st pilot is alleged to have said to his wife is on the lower order.
To his ex wife as was said in Russian text.
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if pilot or co-pilot states displeasure with mechanical condition of a commercial airliner, can/will the administrators over ride and insist that the flight be flown as is? I don't think it happens like that in N. America but what about elsewhere?
Of course they "can". Whether they will or not is an entirely different matter.

I have personal experience of a small UK scheduled airline that operated for years with no action taken despite numerous reports (some detailed to the nth degree) to the CAA of their appalling maintenance (or rather lack of it), quite apart from the heinous operational offences they committed on a regular basis. Years after I left I was still hearing the same stories from younger colleagues who had worked for them recently. Anyone who flew for that ghastly outfit will name it instantly.

Nothing was done.
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"To his daughter", said his wife.

Not exactly a primary source.
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Old 1st Nov 2015, 15:55
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This two puzzles me a bit:

Photos REUTERS/Mohamed Abd El Ghany





Why Mi-24?
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