UA getting a little person with AS at KLAX
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UA getting a little person with AS at KLAX
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From the link in post #1 it would seem a taxi onto stand and a push-back collision. One suspects the onus is on the push-back crew. Surely they had a chappie on the headset monitoring the area behind? It seems night?
How does ATC do it at LAX? In UK ATC would say "behind (or after XYZ has passed) cleared to push." The captain would repeat this to the push-back crew. Is it that LAX gives clearance and the onus is on the push-back a/c to do so when safe?
It's a bit like being given clearance to land when No. 2 on finals and still one on runway as well. You are cleared to land, but it is your decision to decide if it is safe to do so. At least that's how it was in 90's when I last stepped a toe into US ATC territory.
How does ATC do it at LAX? In UK ATC would say "behind (or after XYZ has passed) cleared to push." The captain would repeat this to the push-back crew. Is it that LAX gives clearance and the onus is on the push-back a/c to do so when safe?
It's a bit like being given clearance to land when No. 2 on finals and still one on runway as well. You are cleared to land, but it is your decision to decide if it is safe to do so. At least that's how it was in 90's when I last stepped a toe into US ATC territory.
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From the title as written, I thought this thread was going to be about a dwarf afflicted with Ankylosing Spondylitis boarding a UA aircraft at KLAX. I see now that you must have meant to type "personal".
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I did but gremlin struck.
Mind you it was 0319 in NZ from whence I posted
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I know of past incident at another airport where conditional pushback clearance was given subject to an inbound passing behind and parking. The inbound turned to park on stand then stopped short due crew not happy with entry guidance. Aircraft tail was partly overhanging the taxiway. Other aircraft pushed back thinking the inbound was clear resulting in a collision.
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My question about how it is done in LAX is because I was appalled one day, at more than one major EU airport, where the engine start push-back monitor was also the tug driver. It was a 1 man operation. No way could he monitor the safety of the area behind for the push-back. ASIR = no reply!!. Waste of breath; until the next 'oops bump'.
I flew out of LAX a lot and the alleys are tight. I don't remember the exact way ramp control worked, and it has probably changed anyway in the last 8 years. It looks like UA was just pulling into the gate and Alaska backed into them since the Alaska plane is at an angle and the UA plane is straight in. I've been in and out of both of those gates many times
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I find much of LAX to be tight. With a 744 on taxiway B parallel to runway 25R-07L, it looks like your wingtip is protruding beyond the hold short line for the runway.
One day we were on this route and there were some workers between B and parallel taxiway C who were scrambling to get out of the way as we approached.
The normal exit for 24R is AA to cross 24L while an aircraft is rolling just after you cross. Tower does not give any further taxi instructions.
You are switched over to ground and want to contact them soon as you have don't know if you will be told to do an immediate left onto E or proceed straight ahead but ground may be busy.
In order to clear the runway with your tail, you have to go quite far and then may not be able to turn left onto E if ground asks you to do so, so some people slow down and are slow to have their tail clear the runway.
One day we were on this route and there were some workers between B and parallel taxiway C who were scrambling to get out of the way as we approached.
The normal exit for 24R is AA to cross 24L while an aircraft is rolling just after you cross. Tower does not give any further taxi instructions.
You are switched over to ground and want to contact them soon as you have don't know if you will be told to do an immediate left onto E or proceed straight ahead but ground may be busy.
In order to clear the runway with your tail, you have to go quite far and then may not be able to turn left onto E if ground asks you to do so, so some people slow down and are slow to have their tail clear the runway.
