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Another landing accident in Indonesia (Papua)

Old 28th Aug 2015, 10:53
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Another landing accident in Indonesia (Papua)

Cardig B-737 Freighter


ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 737-3Q8BDSF PK-BBY Wamena Airport (WMX)
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 11:22
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An airframe a day keeps flight safety away.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 15:46
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Landed before the numbers .. whoooppsss

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Old 28th Aug 2015, 19:17
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If a 737 was really carrying 30 tons of rice I'm surprised it got airborne in the first place.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 20:11
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Typical -300F max payload is around 19 tonnes.

Perhaps it was fluffy rice.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 20:45
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Over weight ops are standard there. Having been based in sentani where this freighter was based we would regularly see them just stagger into the sky..they would go up to about 18-20k altitude, with no pressurisation, as it was in op and think there was no issue with this...the mentality of these people is crazy
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Maybe someone could develop a caster wheel kit for the 737 engine pods.
Seem to be a lot of them sitting on their engines these days.
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Nonsense

they are flying into areas with almost no navaids, in scenery that runs up to 16000ft and has appalling weather and grim runways

they do their best and most of the time they do a good job

landing long or short can happen in Indonesian Papua, Blackbushe, San Francisco or whereever at any time
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I think you mean, most of the time they get lucky.

Operating in an unforgiving environment, as you point out, bending the rules. Luck and statistics, rather than a good job.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 15:56
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"Over weight ops" happen pretty frequently everywhere. And more often than you might expect, they do indeed get away with it. There's always that classic, much-copied video of someone taking an Il-76 off somewhere in Australia, with suitable Aussie commentary.
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P.S. how do I link to a Youtube video so that it just shows as a link, like that, not as an embedded player frame?
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That take-off was filmed at Canberra.
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 23:53
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Re Il-76 - not overloaded. There was commentary on a thread about this, and if I recall correctly it's a technique used to comply with segment requirements after lift off. Think mention was made of the early 707 using the same. Will search for the relevant thread.

See here, in particular post #75. Other relevant posts #104, 120, 140

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...red-video.html

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If you're thinking of "improved climb" it's still in use on modern types...though having seen the Il-76 video a few times whilst I guess it's possible I'd need to see their "numbers" to be convinced....

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Megan, you're talking about a technique called "improved climb", and looking at that video, his climb is so slow that it clearly was grossly overloaded.
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 13:09
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I know not. Forgive me if I have sinned, was just passing on the info as I understood it.
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Another clue was that he was barely above taxi speed as he went abeam the tower.
It was a great job of rotating just at the end. Did anyone inventory the runway end lights afterwards?
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Ops normal!!!

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/136226...607054_001.pdf
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