Turkish A320 accident Istanbul

[silverstrata]

You don't need to blame wake turbulence in this part of the world - carrier landings are the norm. Some right seaters make prayers before landing, which always puts me on high alert. A few were trained by the Joseph Bamford flying school.

This was another gear collapse, at Antalya. But you be pleased to know that the gear only collapsed because the landing was too smooth. Apparently there is a flaw with the 737 design, so that when you do a real greaser the gear always collapses.....

[Fursty Ferret]

Why did Airbus decide that a dual input that would double the input was a good idea?I have found after a number of years on the Bus that taking over whilst pressing the red thingy is not exactly instinctive.

Because in the worst case scenario where someone does something so mind-bogglingly stupid that an instinctive reaction from the other pilot happens without pushing the red button, the inputs are summed and go to zero, protecting the aircraft and giving a second or two to formally take control.

Equally, in say a GPWS or windshear situation, a tentative response from PF will rapidly become a full deflection input if PNF instinctively adds an input, safely giving the full performance capability of the AC (albeit in a messy way).

There's no alternative that "works". Making the Captain's sidestick always take priority in a dual-input scenario will only end in tears because the co-pilot that needs to intervene will be doing it instinctively to preserve his or her own life or the integrity of the aircraft, and will never push the take-over button. At my airline co-pilots aren't allowed to cover the controls so there's no chance of them getting their hand onto the sidestick AND pushing the red button.

[Dan Winterland]

I have found after a number of years on the Bus that taking over whilst pressing the red thingy is not exactly instinctive.

Not with me. As I get older, my reactions are slowing - except for my left thumb which is hypersensitive!

[porkflyer]

Turks are the best pilot in their world. Its Airbus and Boeing that can't make planes that can master such delusion. I suggest get real..before its too late.

[heidelberg]

Turkish authorities do not publish reports

Is 'fox niner' correct in stating the Turkish Authorities never publish reports?

[TypeIV]

hedelberg, yes that's true.

Another accident today, an A/C hitting a gate in HEL, and yesterday a technician died while working.

Edit: Technician killed by 777 flap, sounds like he was trapped between when the flap was operated.

https://twitter.com/jonk/status/5996...418368/photo/1

[andrasz]

Another accident today, an A/C hitting a gate in HEL

The gate is of the fixed type, my bet is the guidance display was set for an A321 while the a/c was a 320 which went unnoticed by the crew as they taxied past the correct stop position, even though if functioning the taxi guidance display prominently shows the a/c type it is set for. (The crew would only be at no fault here if they were marshaled in to the stand, but I find it a bit hard for this to be misjudged by a pair of Mk1 eyeballs)