Air Algerie loses contact with its plane leaving Ouagadougou
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Link claiming possible crash site found as reported by UN troops in the area.
Missing Air Algerie Flight AH5017 Found? FlightRadar24: Swiftair Plane Crashes in Niger; Aircraft Could Also be in Northern Mali
Sincerest condolences to the crew and families involved.....
Missing Air Algerie Flight AH5017 Found? FlightRadar24: Swiftair Plane Crashes in Niger; Aircraft Could Also be in Northern Mali
Sincerest condolences to the crew and families involved.....
Firstly to all theose involved, I hope for a good outcome.
Ive actually done cloud seeding at that latitude and closeish by (south western Saudi) and i can confirm tops of the CBs hit 18km plus, measured via met doppler ground radar. Thats 60000ft! No airliner is going over one of those.
Ive actually done cloud seeding at that latitude and closeish by (south western Saudi) and i can confirm tops of the CBs hit 18km plus, measured via met doppler ground radar. Thats 60000ft! No airliner is going over one of those.
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The weather could be responsible in this incident but there is a NOTAM for Mali flights as well. Surely a missile is not a plausible reason......:
!FDC 4/8415 ZZZ SECURITY MALI U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN SHOULD AVOID OPERATING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN OR OVER MALI AT OR BELOW FL240 DUE TO INSURGENT ACTIVITY. THERE IS RISK TO THE SAFETY OF U.S. CIVIL FLIGHTS OPERATING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN OR OVER MALI FROM SMALL-ARMS, ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES, ROCKETS AND MORTARS, AND ANTI-AIRCRAFT FIRE, TO INCLUDE SHOULDER-FIRED, MAN-PORTABLE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS (MANPADS). U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN PLANNING TO FLY INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN, OR OVER MALI AT OR BELOW FL240 MUST OBTAIN CURRENT THREAT INFORMATION; COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE FAA REGULATIONS, OPERATIONS SPECIFICATIONS, MANAGEMENT SPECIFICATIONS AND LETTERS OF AUTHORIZATION; AND PROVIDE ADVANCE NOTICE OF PLANNED FLIGHTS TO THE FAA AT [email protected] WITH SPECIFIC FLIGHT DETAILS. ADDITIONALLY, U.S. OPERATORS MUST REPORT SECURITY INCIDENTS TO THE FAA AT +1 202-493-5833 OR +1 202-267-3333. THE SECURITY CONDITIONS IN MALI FOR U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN AND THE NEED FOR THIS NOTAM WILL BE RE-EVALUATED BY 31 AUGUST 2014. THE FAA HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT INFORMATION MANUAL AT: HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/AIR_TRAFFIC/PUBLICATIONS/IFIM/US_ RESTRICTIONS/. 1403192000-1408312359EST
!FDC 4/8415 ZZZ SECURITY MALI U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN SHOULD AVOID OPERATING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN OR OVER MALI AT OR BELOW FL240 DUE TO INSURGENT ACTIVITY. THERE IS RISK TO THE SAFETY OF U.S. CIVIL FLIGHTS OPERATING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN OR OVER MALI FROM SMALL-ARMS, ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES, ROCKETS AND MORTARS, AND ANTI-AIRCRAFT FIRE, TO INCLUDE SHOULDER-FIRED, MAN-PORTABLE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS (MANPADS). U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN PLANNING TO FLY INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN, OR OVER MALI AT OR BELOW FL240 MUST OBTAIN CURRENT THREAT INFORMATION; COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE FAA REGULATIONS, OPERATIONS SPECIFICATIONS, MANAGEMENT SPECIFICATIONS AND LETTERS OF AUTHORIZATION; AND PROVIDE ADVANCE NOTICE OF PLANNED FLIGHTS TO THE FAA AT [email protected] WITH SPECIFIC FLIGHT DETAILS. ADDITIONALLY, U.S. OPERATORS MUST REPORT SECURITY INCIDENTS TO THE FAA AT +1 202-493-5833 OR +1 202-267-3333. THE SECURITY CONDITIONS IN MALI FOR U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN AND THE NEED FOR THIS NOTAM WILL BE RE-EVALUATED BY 31 AUGUST 2014. THE FAA HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT INFORMATION MANUAL AT: HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/AIR_TRAFFIC/PUBLICATIONS/IFIM/US_ RESTRICTIONS/. 1403192000-1408312359EST
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Algerians authorities annnounce 51French 26 Burkinabe 5 Canadian 20 Lebanese 4 German
O/b the missing aircraft . Plane disappeared near Gao.
Anybody feeling concerned may call +33 1 43 17 56 46 emergency calll center in Paris
O/b the missing aircraft . Plane disappeared near Gao.
Anybody feeling concerned may call +33 1 43 17 56 46 emergency calll center in Paris
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Hope his wx radar was not on the blink ?
Air France did exactly that and flew straight into convective activity that resulted in such severe damage to a 744 (F-GITF) en-route from JNB-CDG that it eventually had to land in Marseille. 30 injured, 1 of those later died. The aircraft was repaired and at age 22 is still flying for AF.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=144312
Coincidentally the event occurred about 30 miles North of Ouagadougu in Burkina Faso.
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Crash site = Tilemsi
Source:
BFM
Air Algérie a perdu le contact avec un vol parti de Ouagadougou - BFMTV.com
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Air Algérie a perdu le contact avec un vol parti de Ouagadougou - BFMTV.com
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update on this Air Alerie (Swiftair) tragedy
As previously reported by 1stspotter
https://twitter.com/aeropuertoSDR/st...700096/photo/1
Weather activity great at this time in the ITCZ . Natioanalities of pax and crew List of passengers on missing Air Algerie flight includes 51 French, 27 Burkina Faso nationals, 8 Lebanese, 6 Algerians, 5 Canadians, 4 Germans, 2 Luxemburg nationals, 1 Swiss, 1 Belgium, 1 Egyptian, 1 Ukrainian, 1 Nigerian, 1 Cameroonian and 1 Malian, Burkina Faso Transport Minister Jean Bertin Ouedraogo says; 6 crew members are Spanish, according to the Spanish pilots' union - @AP
Breaking news on Air Algerie flight crashes in Mali, July 24, 2014 - breakingnews.com
https://twitter.com/aeropuertoSDR/st...700096/photo/1
Weather activity great at this time in the ITCZ . Natioanalities of pax and crew List of passengers on missing Air Algerie flight includes 51 French, 27 Burkina Faso nationals, 8 Lebanese, 6 Algerians, 5 Canadians, 4 Germans, 2 Luxemburg nationals, 1 Swiss, 1 Belgium, 1 Egyptian, 1 Ukrainian, 1 Nigerian, 1 Cameroonian and 1 Malian, Burkina Faso Transport Minister Jean Bertin Ouedraogo says; 6 crew members are Spanish, according to the Spanish pilots' union - @AP
Breaking news on Air Algerie flight crashes in Mali, July 24, 2014 - breakingnews.com
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Its Time
Yet another plane off the radar and lost. With the number that have been lost, shot down etc its time for the industry to make a rapid advance in safety by requiring Flight Recorder data to be transmitted to the ground in real time.
The capability is available and may cost some money. Safety costs money.
My approach to flight safety investigation is to ensure that the primary purpose is to prevent the next accident, this can be achieved by this requirement.
Its time for all ppruners to get moving and badger, cajole, write, and generally pursue the achievement of this major safety breakthrough.
Its Time !
The capability is available and may cost some money. Safety costs money.
My approach to flight safety investigation is to ensure that the primary purpose is to prevent the next accident, this can be achieved by this requirement.
Its time for all ppruners to get moving and badger, cajole, write, and generally pursue the achievement of this major safety breakthrough.
Its Time !
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Beware of instant news
in the clamour to "break news" there have already been some howling inaccuracies, first it was an Airbus, now an MD. The reports put the "aircraft on ground site" in either Niger or Mali and neither has been confirmed, so lets all be serious for a moment please, this is supposed to be a professional forum.
There are other reports are stating that the Mali site is that of an old airframe, rather than this aircraft, posting the latest breaking news link will not change the facts as and when they finally emerge. Non attributable statements by "airport officials" to persons of the media are not confirmation of anything.
There are other reports are stating that the Mali site is that of an old airframe, rather than this aircraft, posting the latest breaking news link will not change the facts as and when they finally emerge. Non attributable statements by "airport officials" to persons of the media are not confirmation of anything.
Last edited by Teddy Robinson; 24th Jul 2014 at 16:10. Reason: continued circular reporting by news agencies.
Yet another plane off the radar and lost. With the number that have been lost, shot down etc its time for the industry to make a rapid advance in safety by requiring Flight Recorder data to be transmitted to the ground in real time.
In the case of the one over Africa the media have been saying "..aircraft disappears from radar" - I believe this is incorrect. ATC lost communication with the aircraft so not the same thing. If the a/c had disappeared off radar they would know (roughly) where to start looking.
Suggest you take a look at this thread:-
Flight Recorders et al
Also start watching this at 49.50
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Flight Recorders et al
Also start watching this at 49.50
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When any plane crashes in a remote area it is missing initially. Unfortunately I expect this will be found in the desert sometime in the next 24 hours. It is the media jumping on the plane missing bandwagon to try to make money as it is more sensational that another airliner has gone missing! In 2012 there were 24 transport category aircraft crashes, 20 of them involving fatalities. Unfortunately it is not that rare of an occurrence, at the present time, people can make money as there have been a couple of high profile ones so interest is up and papers will sell.
If this was for example the Hewa Bora Airlines 727 that crashed in 2012 killing 70+ it would not sell as many papers so most are probably unaware of it, or how about the Iran Air of the same year killing 77, also a 727. Would not sell papers so not headline news.
If this was for example the Hewa Bora Airlines 727 that crashed in 2012 killing 70+ it would not sell as many papers so most are probably unaware of it, or how about the Iran Air of the same year killing 77, also a 727. Would not sell papers so not headline news.
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French forces based in mali have detected the wreck of AH5017
According to the website of Ouagadougou Airport fench forces based in Mali have detected the wreck of AH5017 half way between Gao and Kidal, in a very hard to accses desert area.
Info VOL AH5017 : Le vol Air Algérie est sorti des radars
MAJ (14h31 UTC) : Les forces françaises stationnées au Mali ont détecté l'épave de l'avion AH5017 à mi-chemin entre Gao et Kidal, dans une zone désertique très difficile d'accès. L'impossibilité pour les secours spartiates des équipes médicales de Gao d'accéder à la zone rendent tout secours dans la journée très hypothétique. La nécessité de sécuriser la zone et d'en empêcher l'accès à tout personnel non formé aux contingences des enquêtes aériennes laisse redouter une issue dramatique.
Info VOL AH5017 : Le vol Air Algérie est sorti des radars
MAJ (14h31 UTC) : Les forces françaises stationnées au Mali ont détecté l'épave de l'avion AH5017 à mi-chemin entre Gao et Kidal, dans une zone désertique très difficile d'accès. L'impossibilité pour les secours spartiates des équipes médicales de Gao d'accéder à la zone rendent tout secours dans la journée très hypothétique. La nécessité de sécuriser la zone et d'en empêcher l'accès à tout personnel non formé aux contingences des enquêtes aériennes laisse redouter une issue dramatique.