Airport Incident
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AA SLF,
B*ow Me.
You say one thing in your post, then when challanged you recant and say you "implied" or whatever.
My advice to you is get the license, then critisize.
To talk the talk, you must first walk the walk.
B*ow Me.
You say one thing in your post, then when challanged you recant and say you "implied" or whatever.
My advice to you is get the license, then critisize.
To talk the talk, you must first walk the walk.
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D3G -
You said -
What did I say to merit that kind of response? Is it that time of the month again for you? 
"Recant" - no way. "Get a license before I can critisize"? Don't need the license since I am a fare paying pax who has spent the money for safe, reliable transport by the Capt. If the mechanical is caused by a "mistake" by the Capt. then I believe I have every right to critisize!
So - what circumstances could have caused this event?
I believe that the last two items are Pilot ERROR and therefore fair game for critisizm (sp?).
dah-dit-dah-dit dah-dit-dah (see I do have a license).
You said -
B*ow Me.
"Recant" - no way. "Get a license before I can critisize"? Don't need the license since I am a fare paying pax who has spent the money for safe, reliable transport by the Capt. If the mechanical is caused by a "mistake" by the Capt. then I believe I have every right to critisize!
So - what circumstances could have caused this event?
- Brake failure
- Failure to "hold" the brakes while unhooking the tug
- Beginning the taxi before "clearing" the taxi path
I believe that the last two items are Pilot ERROR and therefore fair game for critisizm (sp?).
dah-dit-dah-dit dah-dit-dah (see I do have a license).
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AA SLF
How about (incorrect) wave off from the ground crew indicating the tug was clear? You can't see a tug under the nose on a 757. FYI the ground crew member is responsible for the a/c not hitting anything during push back until such time as the captain tells him he is clear to disconnect and asks him for wave-off and display of the pin.
Also, FYI the brakes aren't "held" on by the pilots during uncoupling.......the parking brake is set to park and the ground crew are informed of this before permission is given to uncouple the tug.
I don't know what happened, but there for the grace of God go all of us.....have you never made a mistake whilst parking your car and bumped the one behind? Sometimes these things just happen, even to the best of us.
PP
So - what circumstances could have caused this event?
Brake failure
Failure to "hold" the brakes while unhooking the tug
Beginning the taxi before "clearing" the taxi path
Brake failure
Failure to "hold" the brakes while unhooking the tug
Beginning the taxi before "clearing" the taxi path
Also, FYI the brakes aren't "held" on by the pilots during uncoupling.......the parking brake is set to park and the ground crew are informed of this before permission is given to uncouple the tug.
I don't know what happened, but there for the grace of God go all of us.....have you never made a mistake whilst parking your car and bumped the one behind? Sometimes these things just happen, even to the best of us.
PP
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Pilot Pete -
Thanks for making me realize that I hadn't thought it through all the way. My mind in neutral - maybe the same as the event we are talking about.
ADD ground crew mistake to the above list.
However - if I was the tug driver and my ground crew chief gave the Capt. a "clear to taxi" while I was still too close, me and the ground crew boss would have very very serious words. Like maybe wrapping the headset cord around his neck tightly!
Thanks for making me realize that I hadn't thought it through all the way. My mind in neutral - maybe the same as the event we are talking about.
ADD ground crew mistake to the above list.
However - if I was the tug driver and my ground crew chief gave the Capt. a "clear to taxi" while I was still too close, me and the ground crew boss would have very very serious words. Like maybe wrapping the headset cord around his neck tightly!
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another YSCB VVIP Fiasco
Wiley
Brilliant.
Reminds me of another YSCB VVIP fiasco in which I figured back in 1968. I was scheduled to be Orderly Dog (aka Orderly Officer) on the day that Ethiopian Emperor Highly Salubrious (aka Haile Selassie, Lion of Judah, etc1892-1975) blew into town in his Ethiopian Airlines 707. It was the first and last OZ visit of the last of the Solomonic Kings, the Abyssinian Emperor being a lineal descendant of the Queen of Sheba and one of the ancient Christian Kings of Biblical Mythologic Lore. He'd fought off Mussolini's troops in the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935 and was much beloved of his people. The Base Commander was ACDRe Sam ?? and he was greatly concerned that things should go off without a hitch for the Royal Visit. In particular he had visions of the Australian media out of control and storming the barricades during the pomp and pageantry of the welcoming ceremony. So my brief at his assembly the day before - of functionaries for the distinguished visit - was to position the scores of Service Police under my control and avoid any such pitch invasion by having the Service Police intervene as early as possible and manhandle them off the premises so to speak. I duly briefed my Orderly Sergeant and Orderly Officer Understudy exactly what I expected of them - and they briefed the SPits. It was all going to be a little difficult because I'd be standing at attention at the foot of the steps, facing front and giving the salute in standard fashion. However I wanted to be sure that nothing went awry and knew that if it did, I'd be held personally responsible - so I organised some hand signals that the Orderly Sergeant could act upon. The Orderly sergeant was a chopper crewman from 5 Sqn and wasn't all that smart - but he knew that if he got the signal to act, exactly what he should do.
So the first part (landing and taxi-in with flags waving) went off well and the momentous moment when the diminutive five foot tall figure of his Excellency emerged and stood resplendent at the top of the a/c front door for his National Anthem, wearing his impressive array of medals was a real crowd stopper. Even though small in stature, Hailie Selassie looked like something out of a bygone era, with his military uniform swathed in the huge leopard skin robe that he always wore on State occasions. A very very distinguished gentleman indeed - something out of the historical story-books, almost a total anachronism for that day and age. As the fading strains of his Anthem receded, He was announced as:
His Imperial Majesty Negus Negast, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I (Power of the Holy Trinity) Emperor of Ethiopia, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Elect of God, Light of the Universe his standard imperial salutation. A more solemn and regal occasion you couldn't imagine. Just as he took his first step downward I caught the flash of a flashbulb close by and heard the whirr of a camera and I knew it was time for me to leap into action. Still standing at the salute I managed to flash the other hand gesture to my trusty Orderly Sergeant and the team closed in and manhandled the interlopers away. The Lion of Judah looked a bit perplexed but continued his regal descent of the steps and the greeting ceremony continued. A little later, the royal motorcade had departed and I couldn't quite understand the mixture of dark looks and sniqgers that seemed to be intended for me. I couldn't quite comprehend at that point - but did later when I watched it on TV in the O's Mess bar. From a middle distance shot you could clearly distinguish his retinue deplaning from the aft stairs and his official PR people pealing off to get the obligatory piccies of H.E. descending the stairs - when out of nowhere a horde of SP's, capped and armbanded like Nazi stormtroopers, descend upon them and hustled them off out of the picture - stage right. Puggerr. I was P.O.R.'d never to do RAAF Fairbairn O/O ever again and found myself in Vietnam a week later. (I guess the appropriate punishment was so obvious they couldn't help themselves). But I got my own back later when, under a different administration and with a chestful of medals they decided I was the obvious choice to fly the GG, mount the Honour Guard for the Opening of Parliament, Battle of Britain Day and various other Moratorium Crowd crowd-pleasers. Plenty of regrets all around there too - but that's another story.
H.I.M. displaying here the mystical and metaphysical "Salutation of Peace" or the Sign of the Holy Trinity. The triangle pointing downwards is an esoteric symbol representing the maternal phase of the Seal of Solomon; the six - pointed star is also known as the Star of David.
Brilliant.
Reminds me of another YSCB VVIP fiasco in which I figured back in 1968. I was scheduled to be Orderly Dog (aka Orderly Officer) on the day that Ethiopian Emperor Highly Salubrious (aka Haile Selassie, Lion of Judah, etc1892-1975) blew into town in his Ethiopian Airlines 707. It was the first and last OZ visit of the last of the Solomonic Kings, the Abyssinian Emperor being a lineal descendant of the Queen of Sheba and one of the ancient Christian Kings of Biblical Mythologic Lore. He'd fought off Mussolini's troops in the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935 and was much beloved of his people. The Base Commander was ACDRe Sam ?? and he was greatly concerned that things should go off without a hitch for the Royal Visit. In particular he had visions of the Australian media out of control and storming the barricades during the pomp and pageantry of the welcoming ceremony. So my brief at his assembly the day before - of functionaries for the distinguished visit - was to position the scores of Service Police under my control and avoid any such pitch invasion by having the Service Police intervene as early as possible and manhandle them off the premises so to speak. I duly briefed my Orderly Sergeant and Orderly Officer Understudy exactly what I expected of them - and they briefed the SPits. It was all going to be a little difficult because I'd be standing at attention at the foot of the steps, facing front and giving the salute in standard fashion. However I wanted to be sure that nothing went awry and knew that if it did, I'd be held personally responsible - so I organised some hand signals that the Orderly Sergeant could act upon. The Orderly sergeant was a chopper crewman from 5 Sqn and wasn't all that smart - but he knew that if he got the signal to act, exactly what he should do.
So the first part (landing and taxi-in with flags waving) went off well and the momentous moment when the diminutive five foot tall figure of his Excellency emerged and stood resplendent at the top of the a/c front door for his National Anthem, wearing his impressive array of medals was a real crowd stopper. Even though small in stature, Hailie Selassie looked like something out of a bygone era, with his military uniform swathed in the huge leopard skin robe that he always wore on State occasions. A very very distinguished gentleman indeed - something out of the historical story-books, almost a total anachronism for that day and age. As the fading strains of his Anthem receded, He was announced as:
His Imperial Majesty Negus Negast, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I (Power of the Holy Trinity) Emperor of Ethiopia, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Elect of God, Light of the Universe his standard imperial salutation. A more solemn and regal occasion you couldn't imagine. Just as he took his first step downward I caught the flash of a flashbulb close by and heard the whirr of a camera and I knew it was time for me to leap into action. Still standing at the salute I managed to flash the other hand gesture to my trusty Orderly Sergeant and the team closed in and manhandled the interlopers away. The Lion of Judah looked a bit perplexed but continued his regal descent of the steps and the greeting ceremony continued. A little later, the royal motorcade had departed and I couldn't quite understand the mixture of dark looks and sniqgers that seemed to be intended for me. I couldn't quite comprehend at that point - but did later when I watched it on TV in the O's Mess bar. From a middle distance shot you could clearly distinguish his retinue deplaning from the aft stairs and his official PR people pealing off to get the obligatory piccies of H.E. descending the stairs - when out of nowhere a horde of SP's, capped and armbanded like Nazi stormtroopers, descend upon them and hustled them off out of the picture - stage right. Puggerr. I was P.O.R.'d never to do RAAF Fairbairn O/O ever again and found myself in Vietnam a week later. (I guess the appropriate punishment was so obvious they couldn't help themselves). But I got my own back later when, under a different administration and with a chestful of medals they decided I was the obvious choice to fly the GG, mount the Honour Guard for the Opening of Parliament, Battle of Britain Day and various other Moratorium Crowd crowd-pleasers. Plenty of regrets all around there too - but that's another story.
H.I.M. displaying here the mystical and metaphysical "Salutation of Peace" or the Sign of the Holy Trinity. The triangle pointing downwards is an esoteric symbol representing the maternal phase of the Seal of Solomon; the six - pointed star is also known as the Star of David.
Gib Incident
It will be a great shame if the cost to repair NC is thought too high and our lords and masters decide enough is enough. Like a number of us I have the odd hour on her in my own log book as well.
I do remember operating into Gib many times when I used to wear a blue uniform. Not as simple straight forward approach as some, but then very few of my approaches ever were!
Very unfortunate incident and very sorry for the skipper, crew and pax, such mishaps do happen now and the in the industry.
In the unfirtunate event that the 75 is unable to operate again, anybody know of the odd DC10 lying about!!
I do remember operating into Gib many times when I used to wear a blue uniform. Not as simple straight forward approach as some, but then very few of my approaches ever were!
Very unfortunate incident and very sorry for the skipper, crew and pax, such mishaps do happen now and the in the industry.
In the unfirtunate event that the 75 is unable to operate again, anybody know of the odd DC10 lying about!!
