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Old 6th Apr 2014, 00:23
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RSCU75 is currently firing-up at Perth. It will be interesting to see the outbound track, perhaps indicative of the location of the Chinese ship evidence. Out of interest a Falcon 900 owned by a company associated with the AMSA SAR aircraft has been departing out of Canarvan to the west for extended periods for a number of days on a track consistent with the newer northerly search areas. It was apparent almost a day before any announcement was made that the search area had again shifted north by a significant amount.
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RSCU75 is currently firing-up at Perth. It will be interesting to see the outbound track, perhaps indicative of the location of the Chinese ship evidence.
Rescue 75 is now airborne. It is a P-8A from VP-16, the War Eagles out of Navy Jacksonville, Florida.

Initial track seems to be 284 degrees.
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Originally Posted by Airbubba
Rescue 75 is now airborne. It is a P-8A from VP-16, the War Eagles out of Navy Jacksonville, Florida.

Initial track seems to be 284 degrees.

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I did read in the Chinese press that the ship was directed there by Australian authorities.
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Rescue 75 is cruising to the search area at FL325, I would assume this indicates MARSA.

From this morning's JACC media release:

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has three separate search areas planned for today about 2,000 kilometres north west of Perth, which total approximately 216,000 square kilometres.

Weather in the search area is expected to be good with a cloud base of 2,500 feet and visibility greater than 10 kilometres.

Reports overnight that the Chinese ship, Haixun 01, has detected electronic pulse signals in the Indian Ocean related to MH370 cannot be verified at this point in time.
Search and recovery continues for Malaysian flight MH370
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In addition, the Foreign Minister said that the report had come from a media reporter on the Chinese ship. As has been said its best to wait for confirmation by the search authorities.
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Old 6th Apr 2014, 02:26
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Tend to agree with the” firsts” for China in relation to all the findings. As already pointed out China appears to be doing its own thing. Why was the ship outside the search area and if it was transiting would it not be quicker to do so without a towed array or can it detect without a towed array.

Conspiracy well yes but not really. Would you wish to reveal just how good your radar etc was. I guess coming from a culture that when you are told, by Government, something you just believe it your mind set is that this is how other cultures operate. So it possibly would be expected that if a ship was operating outside the search area and it was just there cause it just was would not raise questions in this culture.
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Old 6th Apr 2014, 02:31
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acting autonomously?

. The decision to release the news via Chinese media rather than the Australian agency set up to co-ordinate the operation is likely to cause friction. CNN said an Australian source connected to the search said the centre had learned of the alert several hours earlier but had not been able to communicate directly with the Haixun. While other search crews report possible evidence connected to the flight directly to the joint research centre, the Chinese teams report it to Beijing first.
MH370: Chinese patrol ship detects ping near suspected location of plane | World news | theguardian.com
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Old 6th Apr 2014, 02:45
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Chinese patrol ship Hai Xun 01 searching for MH370

The Chinese patrol ship Hai Xun 01 does not want to have its location tracked since 23rd March

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...mmsi:412379930
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China detection is fishy, so to speak

Agree but given the size of a search area it is unlikely to have been covered, particularly by towed array which also leads into my other query “Why was the ship outside the search area and if it was transiting would it not be quicker to do so without a towed array or can it detect without a towed array.”
Not only that, the odds of it stumbling upon the beacon are very low. With detection ranges of only a few kilometers, only from a deep towed listener, it takes a very long time to cover a wide area.

I suppose they might have found debris using a side looking mapping sonar, but again, pretty unlikely.

Either the Chinese are extremely lucky, have undisclosed but very good intelligence as to the sunken wreckage location (not just surface wreckage), or are wrong about the report.

BTW... after 30 days, the beacon output is supposed to be down only 3 dB (half power).

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Can people not read news stories!!.....
Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who is leading the international search effort, said the pulse signals are characteristic of an aircraft black box.
"I have been advised that a series of sounds have been detected by a Chinese ship in the search area," he said in a statement this morning."The characteristics reported are consistent with the aircraft black box.
"A number of white objects were also sighted on the surface about 90 kilometres from the detection area."
"However, there is no confirmation at this stage that the signals and the objects are related to the missing aircraft."


Why are people still speculating that the Chinese were out there doing their own thing and conducting their own search in another area?!!!!
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Old 6th Apr 2014, 03:22
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Not only that, the odds of it stumbling upon the beacon are very low. With detection ranges of only a few kilometers, only from a deep towed listener, it takes a very long time to cover a wide area.
According to ABC news 24 the discovery was made from 'rubber ducky' (their words) with a hydrophone!
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Originally Posted by Mesoman
Not only that, the odds of it stumbling upon the beacon are very low. With detection ranges of only a few kilometers, only from a deep towed listener, it takes a very long time to cover a wide area.
And if they were underway, right at the edge of the reception area, that would explain the signal disappearing after 15 minutes, or 90 seconds.

Interestingly the AMSA "planned" search area for today (6/4) hasn't moved towards the 101e 25s location much if at all.

Not sure how far in advance they plan these areas.

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According to ABC news 24 the discovery was made from 'rubber ducky' (their words) with a hydrophone!
I don't think that's correct at all... I've been watching ABC News 24 since early this morning here in Sydney, and at no time have I heard the term "rubber ducky" used at all. In the below article on their website it clearly states;

PHOTO: Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 scours the Indian Ocean in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. (Reuters: China News Service)

MAP: Australia

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Tony Abbott urges caution after Chinese ship detects pulse in southern Indian Ocean - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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Old 6th Apr 2014, 04:16
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Obects spotted in search area....

"White floating objects were spotted Saturday by a Chinese military aircraft in remote southern Indian Ocean west of Perth, Chinese military sources said.
The crew of a Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 plane spotted numerous white floating objects in about 20 minutes starting from 11:05 local time and took pictures of them."


Pic here: Chinese aircraft spots new floating objects in search of MH370 - Headlines, features, photo and videos from ecns.cn|china|news|chinanews|ecns|cns
(taken 5 April 2014)
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ABC News 24 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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White objects STILL cannot be confirmed as MH370 as per my PR last night....

More coming..

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Speaking well. Finally a non idiot speaking sense.

I suspect (and so far it is) just a way of shutting down idiot speculation.

'We must be aware of the effect on relatives' etc etc

' rest assured every single possible lead will be fully explored and updates will be provided'

More of same. Taking questions...

Interestingly before the PC, it was being discussed why the Chinese were well outside the search area and had picked up signals that the west didn't think they had the capabilities to do - inference, what have they got that they haven't been sharing....

Looks like they seem very interested in what the Chinese found, but do not want anyone jumping at shadows...
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Angus Houston says first detection was a short detection 36 hours ago, the Chinese ship then came to the area to stay in the area. Yesterday afternoon was when the second detection was made, which was a longer detection than the first.

So all this about the Chinese "running their own race" is just media speculation...
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Speaking well. Finally a non idiot speaking sense.

' rest assured every single possible lead will be fully explored and updates will be provided'
I don't know about that - he's deliberately not saying anything, and that sounds like they have put the Chinese "acoustic event" at the bottom of the list they have already programmed to search.

HMS Echo - is 14 hours away from 25s 101e and

Ocean Shield is investigation "another" acoustic event (that was only heard 1 hour ago), and is at least 24 hours away, and 27 hours before they could start searching, if they decide to abandon the "event" they are currently investigating.
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HMAS Ocean Shield has picked up a detection 90 mins ago...
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