Ethiopian Hijack?
You know, I think I have the answer....
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Rather than insist that when your buddy goes for a break he/she is replaced by another crewmember (who lets face it could have joined the company 5 minutes ago and may have heaven knows what history) simply make it mandatory that if one pilot leaves the flight deck then so must the other one...a sort of "no go alone zone"
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As I see it then there's then absolutely no risk of a lone occupant either taking control and diverting the flight or slumping over the controls whilst eating that delicious sandwich..................
What does the team think? Think I'd get it past the TSA (States) or Transec (UK)........any obvious flaws??????
.Rather than insist that when your buddy goes for a break he/she is replaced by another crewmember (who lets face it could have joined the company 5 minutes ago and may have heaven knows what history) simply make it mandatory that if one pilot leaves the flight deck then so must the other one...a sort of "no go alone zone"
-As I see it then there's then absolutely no risk of a lone occupant either taking control and diverting the flight or slumping over the controls whilst eating that delicious sandwich..................
What does the team think? Think I'd get it past the TSA (States) or Transec (UK)........any obvious flaws??????
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IamA passenger on yesterday's Hijacked plane from Ethiopian Airlines to Geneva. Contrary to news coverage, it was hell. AMA! : IAmA
A gentleman claiming to be on the flight yesterday and contradicting the news of 'calm'. If it's true, it appears the co-pilot even cut the pack flow...
A gentleman claiming to be on the flight yesterday and contradicting the news of 'calm'. If it's true, it appears the co-pilot even cut the pack flow...
If one pilot wanted a pee, the other pilot (the nutty one) could then re-enter the f/d and lock door.
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Ahhh ha.. got the answer to that one -station a heavily armed guard outside the flight deck door with instruction not to let anyone in on their own..are we all feeling safer yet?
I can see a flaw in your cunning plan, what if both pilots forget the key code for the door ?
I'll stop now before I get told to sit on the naughty step....
Best ask MoL that one as he has a long term plan for single pilot, what was his solution to a toilet break, ah yes Porta Potty in the flight deck, well there would not be anyone else to see what you were doing
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what was his solution to a toilet break, ah yes Porta Potty in the flight deck
You'd need more than headset wipes for the crew handover mind!
A gentleman claiming to be on the flight yesterday and contradicting the news of 'calm'. If it's true, it appears the co-pilot even cut the pack flow...
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Got it a Commode seat only one would be required obviously only for the Captains use !
Anyway enough of the funny banter I think DR has hit the nail on the head, what on earth was the Captain doing for all that time ?
Anyway enough of the funny banter I think DR has hit the nail on the head, what on earth was the Captain doing for all that time ?
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this whole "debate" is taking a rather serious note from slightly joking to just plain outright insulting... and I won't mention any names, as I AM a professional, contrary to... (wonder what these "gentleman's CRM ratings are..hmmm
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Anyways, being off the flight deck now some time has given me some perspective, and I can only believe these men that go to insulting behavior are either the spoiled little pilot brats, or grumpy old john wayne men, with whom I have had the misfortune to hold hands with a little to often! (on the throttle)
To get BACK to the discussion, calculating the value of property, and personnel/ people aboard, time has come to find new ways of dealing with these issues, and no, "just trusting the pilots" simply will not do anymore, any manager who has responsibility knows this. (In this respect, thank god for ACARS, a tool for weeding the incompetent from competent often).
As for the FA, again, I presume these fore mentioned "gentleman/ boys" have little to no respect for these very valuable people, and pat themselves every so often on the back parading through the isle, calling the sexy FA for their coffee, grow up!, become a professional, and learn to work in a team. Many a times they work damn harder than any pilot, and there have been situations that I thanked god they were aboard to help/ alleviate/ support etc! And yes, amongst fore mentioned, yes they CAN at least in a situation successfully open a door from the inside of the flight deck if needed...jeezz
)Anyways, being off the flight deck now some time has given me some perspective, and I can only believe these men that go to insulting behavior are either the spoiled little pilot brats, or grumpy old john wayne men, with whom I have had the misfortune to hold hands with a little to often! (on the throttle)
To get BACK to the discussion, calculating the value of property, and personnel/ people aboard, time has come to find new ways of dealing with these issues, and no, "just trusting the pilots" simply will not do anymore, any manager who has responsibility knows this. (In this respect, thank god for ACARS, a tool for weeding the incompetent from competent often).
As for the FA, again, I presume these fore mentioned "gentleman/ boys" have little to no respect for these very valuable people, and pat themselves every so often on the back parading through the isle, calling the sexy FA for their coffee, grow up!, become a professional, and learn to work in a team. Many a times they work damn harder than any pilot, and there have been situations that I thanked god they were aboard to help/ alleviate/ support etc! And yes, amongst fore mentioned, yes they CAN at least in a situation successfully open a door from the inside of the flight deck if needed...jeezz
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BACK TO BASICS PLEASE.
Not too long after the 9/11 fiasco, a major British respectable newspaper ran an article in which it was speculated that there were unknown numbers of possible "sleepers" in the pilot training system.
These individuals were being prepared for a future strike, as and when their masters decided it would be appropriate.
Our so-called authorities decided to do nothing about this possibility, preferring to deny access to the flight deck by "friendly forces" known to the crew, such as spouses, relatives and enthusiasts, and by making it difficult for even ATC personnel to experience a typical operation.
So we are now safe because our nose-hair tweezers, contact lens solution and lip balm have been excluded from the potential weapons list and we passengers, CC and tech crew can sleep easy in our seats henceforth...............
Have confidence in the psychometric tests and Advanced Compass Tests which our "wannabees" may have to pass, all the H R horsemanure will enure the "sleeper" scenario will never come to pass, won't it?????
Oh to be a fly on the wall as Transec, DfT and the rest chew this incident over, before deciding it will be all too difficult and expensive to implement effective psychiatric screening (if such a thing exists) for all crewmembers, and that's only looking at the main airline players.
So in the near future, beware of some funny looks and even wierder questions as to whether you packed your own brain, as you struggle through security to operate?
These individuals were being prepared for a future strike, as and when their masters decided it would be appropriate.
Our so-called authorities decided to do nothing about this possibility, preferring to deny access to the flight deck by "friendly forces" known to the crew, such as spouses, relatives and enthusiasts, and by making it difficult for even ATC personnel to experience a typical operation.
So we are now safe because our nose-hair tweezers, contact lens solution and lip balm have been excluded from the potential weapons list and we passengers, CC and tech crew can sleep easy in our seats henceforth...............
Have confidence in the psychometric tests and Advanced Compass Tests which our "wannabees" may have to pass, all the H R horsemanure will enure the "sleeper" scenario will never come to pass, won't it?????
Oh to be a fly on the wall as Transec, DfT and the rest chew this incident over, before deciding it will be all too difficult and expensive to implement effective psychiatric screening (if such a thing exists) for all crewmembers, and that's only looking at the main airline players.
So in the near future, beware of some funny looks and even wierder questions as to whether you packed your own brain, as you struggle through security to operate?
b26 etc
No offence intended but I'm not sure simply insisting you have a "FA" on the flight deck to prevent sole occupancy of the same is the answer here.
Certainly on a 2 pilot long haul flight as I'm sure you really know we're not just leaving the flight deck to "parade"
, there are genuine physiological reasons that might require absence from the flight deck for slightly longer than the time needed for a quick P break. In some circumstances there's going to be a possible conflict between the need to keep the galleys/passenger cabins monitored if there's also going to be a requirement for two crew members to be on the flight deck at all times .....
Of course I'm sure any manager worth his or her salt would be willing to budget for the extra manpower needed to provide the obvious solution to the above problem.
Certainly on a 2 pilot long haul flight as I'm sure you really know we're not just leaving the flight deck to "parade"
, there are genuine physiological reasons that might require absence from the flight deck for slightly longer than the time needed for a quick P break. In some circumstances there's going to be a possible conflict between the need to keep the galleys/passenger cabins monitored if there's also going to be a requirement for two crew members to be on the flight deck at all times .....Of course I'm sure any manager worth his or her salt would be willing to budget for the extra manpower needed to provide the obvious solution to the above problem.
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Not welcome: Ethiopian hijacker likely to face prison - swissinfo.ch
Some further news re fuel situation, Swiss (lack of) Air Force, likely refugee situation and legal probabilities. All your questions answered, except for future potty breaks.
Some further news re fuel situation, Swiss (lack of) Air Force, likely refugee situation and legal probabilities. All your questions answered, except for future potty breaks.
"The pilot was threatening (the hijacker) to open the cockpit door and tried to knock it down without succeeding,".
2. Yep, that's why it's called a security door...
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Hmmmm... I'm not familiar with Ethiopian Airlines corporate culture, but I know of some flag carriers to the near north east of Ethiopia where, if the captain was an expat the FO a local and something like this occurred, the captain would be the one found to be at fault.
if the captain was an expat the FO a local and something like this occurred, the captain would be the one found to be at fault.
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I am unsure of the order of events. Was squawk 7500 set before, or after the captain went to the head? If before, maybe the captain has a problem. If after, it appears to all be on the F/O until more is known about the interaction between the two of them.
Was squawk 7500 set before, or after the captain went to the head? If before, maybe the captain has a problem.