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Ethiopian Hijack?

Old 18th Feb 2014, 15:54
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If one pilot wanted a pee, the other pilot (the nutty one) could then re-enter the f/d and lock door.
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Ahhh ha.. got the answer to that one -station a heavily armed guard outside the flight deck door with instruction not to let anyone in on their own..are we all feeling safer yet?

I can see a flaw in your cunning plan, what if both pilots forget the key code for the door ?
OOOh yeahh

I'll stop now before I get told to sit on the naughty step....
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 16:02
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Best ask MoL that one as he has a long term plan for single pilot, what was his solution to a toilet break, ah yes Porta Potty in the flight deck, well there would not be anyone else to see what you were doing
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 16:08
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what was his solution to a toilet break, ah yes Porta Potty in the flight deck
Just replace the seats with toilets and you could spend the whole flight 'on the throne' so to speak.

You'd need more than headset wipes for the crew handover mind!
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 16:15
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A gentleman claiming to be on the flight yesterday and contradicting the news of 'calm'. If it's true, it appears the co-pilot even cut the pack flow...
Strange that the captain's activities and whereabouts for the remaining 6 hours of the flight don't get a single mention in this so-called account.
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 16:27
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Got it a Commode seat only one would be required obviously only for the Captains use !

Anyway enough of the funny banter I think DR has hit the nail on the head, what on earth was the Captain doing for all that time ?
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 16:33
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this whole "debate" is taking a rather serious note from slightly joking to just plain outright insulting... and I won't mention any names, as I AM a professional, contrary to... (wonder what these "gentleman's CRM ratings are..hmmm)


Anyways, being off the flight deck now some time has given me some perspective, and I can only believe these men that go to insulting behavior are either the spoiled little pilot brats, or grumpy old john wayne men, with whom I have had the misfortune to hold hands with a little to often! (on the throttle)


To get BACK to the discussion, calculating the value of property, and personnel/ people aboard, time has come to find new ways of dealing with these issues, and no, "just trusting the pilots" simply will not do anymore, any manager who has responsibility knows this. (In this respect, thank god for ACARS, a tool for weeding the incompetent from competent often).


As for the FA, again, I presume these fore mentioned "gentleman/ boys" have little to no respect for these very valuable people, and pat themselves every so often on the back parading through the isle, calling the sexy FA for their coffee, grow up!, become a professional, and learn to work in a team. Many a times they work damn harder than any pilot, and there have been situations that I thanked god they were aboard to help/ alleviate/ support etc! And yes, amongst fore mentioned, yes they CAN at least in a situation successfully open a door from the inside of the flight deck if needed...jeezz
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 17:22
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BACK TO BASICS PLEASE.

Not too long after the 9/11 fiasco, a major British respectable newspaper ran an article in which it was speculated that there were unknown numbers of possible "sleepers" in the pilot training system.

These individuals were being prepared for a future strike, as and when their masters decided it would be appropriate.

Our so-called authorities decided to do nothing about this possibility, preferring to deny access to the flight deck by "friendly forces" known to the crew, such as spouses, relatives and enthusiasts, and by making it difficult for even ATC personnel to experience a typical operation.

So we are now safe because our nose-hair tweezers, contact lens solution and lip balm have been excluded from the potential weapons list and we passengers, CC and tech crew can sleep easy in our seats henceforth...............

Have confidence in the psychometric tests and Advanced Compass Tests which our "wannabees" may have to pass, all the H R horsemanure will enure the "sleeper" scenario will never come to pass, won't it?????

Oh to be a fly on the wall as Transec, DfT and the rest chew this incident over, before deciding it will be all too difficult and expensive to implement effective psychiatric screening (if such a thing exists) for all crewmembers, and that's only looking at the main airline players.

So in the near future, beware of some funny looks and even wierder questions as to whether you packed your own brain, as you struggle through security to operate?
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 17:28
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b26 etc

No offence intended but I'm not sure simply insisting you have a "FA" on the flight deck to prevent sole occupancy of the same is the answer here.

Certainly on a 2 pilot long haul flight as I'm sure you really know we're not just leaving the flight deck to "parade" , there are genuine physiological reasons that might require absence from the flight deck for slightly longer than the time needed for a quick P break. In some circumstances there's going to be a possible conflict between the need to keep the galleys/passenger cabins monitored if there's also going to be a requirement for two crew members to be on the flight deck at all times .....

Of course I'm sure any manager worth his or her salt would be willing to budget for the extra manpower needed to provide the obvious solution to the above problem.

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Old 18th Feb 2014, 19:01
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Not welcome: Ethiopian hijacker likely to face prison - swissinfo.ch

Some further news re fuel situation, Swiss (lack of) Air Force, likely refugee situation and legal probabilities. All your questions answered, except for future potty breaks.
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 23:01
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"The pilot was threatening (the hijacker) to open the cockpit door and tried to knock it down without succeeding,".
1. That technique might work with the kids but not with a nutter...

2. Yep, that's why it's called a security door...
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 23:50
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I am very curious if Capt. was an Ethiopean national or not ? That may add some more light to this lunacy.
It seems the Captain is Italian, former AZA skipper.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 01:53
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Hmmmm... I'm not familiar with Ethiopian Airlines corporate culture, but I know of some flag carriers to the near north east of Ethiopia where, if the captain was an expat the FO a local and something like this occurred, the captain would be the one found to be at fault.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 02:00
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if the captain was an expat the FO a local and something like this occurred, the captain would be the one found to be at fault.
Hardly likely to be at fault for being locked out of the cockpit!
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 02:19
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I agree. Why was not a FA in the cockpit to verify and allow captain to enter?
It was mandatory for us.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 03:32
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I am unsure of the order of events. Was squawk 7500 set before, or after the captain went to the head? If before, maybe the captain has a problem. If after, it appears to all be on the F/O until more is known about the interaction between the two of them.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 04:28
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Was squawk 7500 set before, or after the captain went to the head? If before, maybe the captain has a problem.
So, captain squawks (or tells FO to squawk) 7X00, then goes to the loo. Sounds logical...
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 05:14
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Hardly likely to be at fault for being locked out of the cockpit!
Capt Bloggs, from that comment I think we can safely assume you have never worked for a Middle East airline.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 05:46
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On one engine

In the AMA thread one person claimed one of the engines flamed out before landing due to fuel exhaustion. Any truth to this?
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 06:36
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Ethiopian Hijack?

Don't know about the flame out but apparently the fuel situation was fairly critical at landing. Basically the guy went into negotiating his asylum while circling the airport and pretty much landed at the last minute...
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 06:58
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Read my link in post #113
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