Nepal - DHC6 down near Pokhara, Nepal.
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Nepal - DHC6 down near Pokhara, Nepal.
Sadly, yet another loss in Nepal, a Nepal Airlines DHC-6-300 impacted with Terrain near Pokhara today (16/2/14), wreckage located, no indication of survivors at this stage.
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A friend of mine was flying the same route a couple minutes earlier. He said they flew into some heavy freezing rain, and decided to divert back to their base.
Seems like the general consensus among the Kathmandu pilots, is that it may have been icing related.
Seems like the general consensus among the Kathmandu pilots, is that it may have been icing related.
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Knew the captain for a long time. He was a good guy.
About the freezing rain that could be a possibility and the twin otter is very old aircraft with no anti ice capability. And it is common for the pilots to fly into IMC without proper IFR routes in the terrain based on heading and GPS. NAC airlines is the only airline that flies the Kathmandu to Jumla via Pokhara Route. I have flown in that terrain but never encountered icing.
But they are many possibilities. Without a CVR and FDR on board, no one would know. And usually they blame it on the pilot as always. Sad but the truth about aviation in Nepal.
Safety needs a huge improvement!!
About the freezing rain that could be a possibility and the twin otter is very old aircraft with no anti ice capability. And it is common for the pilots to fly into IMC without proper IFR routes in the terrain based on heading and GPS. NAC airlines is the only airline that flies the Kathmandu to Jumla via Pokhara Route. I have flown in that terrain but never encountered icing.
But they are many possibilities. Without a CVR and FDR on board, no one would know. And usually they blame it on the pilot as always. Sad but the truth about aviation in Nepal.
Safety needs a huge improvement!!
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Firts jackcarls0n, my condolences. !!!! happens in our jobs and in some places more often than in others..
That was the main issue when I was there . All domestic routes in Nepal are still VFR only correct ? and the GPS is a portable Garmin not issued by the airline(s) ?
Or has this changed recently ?
And it is common for the pilots to fly into IMC without proper IFR routes in the terrain based on heading and GPS
Or has this changed recently ?
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About 15 years ago, a whole raft of GPS IFR procedures were developed by a bunch of Kiwis for the Nepalese government. They included a whole route structure and numerous approach procedures - including Pokhara. Sadly, they were never implemented, for reasons unknown.
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When I was flying in Nepal all the aircraft in Nepal that flew into the mountains had deicing boots removed. I never seen a twin otter in Nepal with deicing boots. Even the ones yeti airlines(tara air) had were not working deicing boots. Most of the time they just had black paint on the leading edge or the boots would remain and they would remove the mechanism to increase payload and same for Dorniers 228.
About the routes some of the aircraft have on board GPS but they are not certified for IFR and they are no IFR routes in those regions. In the mountains it is strictly VFR only. The only thing you can do is do IFR approach back into your base airport which would be Kathmandu/Pokhara/Nepalgunj etc.
But no routes takes you to the mountains on IFR. But again the economics and as said lack of safety, the pilots do fly into IMC conditions without proper routes or procedures. Has been the norm there for long time.
GPS are usually handheld on most of the aircrafts but single engines are all equipped with garmin 430 and 530 with waas and some have weather radar too.
But it is just the culture there. Hopefully nepal learns something soon out of all the crashes and brings in some major changes!
When I was flying in Nepal all the aircraft in Nepal that flew into the mountains had deicing boots removed. I never seen a twin otter in Nepal with deicing boots. Even the ones yeti airlines(tara air) had were not working deicing boots. Most of the time they just had black paint on the leading edge or the boots would remain and they would remove the mechanism to increase payload and same for Dorniers 228.
About the routes some of the aircraft have on board GPS but they are not certified for IFR and they are no IFR routes in those regions. In the mountains it is strictly VFR only. The only thing you can do is do IFR approach back into your base airport which would be Kathmandu/Pokhara/Nepalgunj etc.
But no routes takes you to the mountains on IFR. But again the economics and as said lack of safety, the pilots do fly into IMC conditions without proper routes or procedures. Has been the norm there for long time.
GPS are usually handheld on most of the aircrafts but single engines are all equipped with garmin 430 and 530 with waas and some have weather radar too.
But it is just the culture there. Hopefully nepal learns something soon out of all the crashes and brings in some major changes!
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Thanks you 3 for your answers. So sadly nothing has changed. We too made a list of recommendations when I was there last ( period 2012/til april 2013)
PBN could easily be a (partial) solution but that would mean the airlines have to equip and that they argue it is too expensive . Add a very weak regulator and a misnister of aviation who is also the minister of Tourism.... ,not easy to solve....
Good conclusion. Unfortunately I fear that as long as the notions of " fate" and non-urgency prevails , and the tourists keep coming, it will take more than "hopes" to change things.
PBN could easily be a (partial) solution but that would mean the airlines have to equip and that they argue it is too expensive . Add a very weak regulator and a misnister of aviation who is also the minister of Tourism.... ,not easy to solve....
But it is just the culture there. Hopefully Nepal learns something soon out of all the crashes and brings in some major changes!
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@ATC Watcher I agree unless the government makes changes and make sure they get implied and rules are not bypassed it wouldn't help at all. The only focus of the CAAN is on Kathmandu and the bigger airplanes that flies in and out of it.
WAAS works pretty well in that area actually. Used it on 430 for 4 year there. Its a good aid, but without the procedures in place it is ofcourse of no use.
One has to make they own flight plans and procedures based on experience.
WAAS works pretty well in that area actually. Used it on 430 for 4 year there. Its a good aid, but without the procedures in place it is ofcourse of no use.
One has to make they own flight plans and procedures based on experience.
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WAAS works pretty well in that area actually
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olasek:
Western Europe has it now as well. LPV approaches are well under way.
There are no WAAS ground stations in this part of the world so it can't be working. You may think that it is working but in fact it isn't, you are simply receiving an uncorrected GPS signal. WAAS satellite coverage plus ground stations are only available in North America. I am surprised that you as pilot can be so ignorant in this regard.
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Western Europe has it now as well. LPV approaches are well under way.
Makes little difference, neither WAAS nor EGNOS corrections would be available in Nepal.