EZY demands BA slots @ Gatwick!!
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EZY demands BA slots @ Gatwick!!
From BBC Ceefax:
"Budget airline Easyjet is demanding the right to takeover spare capacity at London Gatwick airport.
It wants to use slots left vacant by national carriers, such as BA, in the wake of the Terrorist attacks in the US.
Easyjet bosses will set out it's case to the European Commission on Monday. Go and Ryanair have made similar calls.
But BA wants current 'use it or lose it' rules on airport slots relaxed until passenger numbers pick up again."
Anyone any info??
"Budget airline Easyjet is demanding the right to takeover spare capacity at London Gatwick airport.
It wants to use slots left vacant by national carriers, such as BA, in the wake of the Terrorist attacks in the US.
Easyjet bosses will set out it's case to the European Commission on Monday. Go and Ryanair have made similar calls.
But BA wants current 'use it or lose it' rules on airport slots relaxed until passenger numbers pick up again."
Anyone any info??
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There is an article in today's Financial Times which reports on the easyJet meeting with the EC in Brussels yesterday.
Seems that BA's stance is being backed by the Association of European Airlines which has called on the EC to relax the current slot rules due to "the exceptional circumstances facing airlines in the wake of 11th September terrorist attacks".
The EC will present a package of measures tomorrow to provide temporary support to the airlines and is expected to concede the principle of relaxing the "use it or lose it" slot regulation.
The FT says it has seen a draft EC paper that says that airlines should keep their rights to slots in the 2002 summer season irrespective of their use during the current season.
Seems that BA's stance is being backed by the Association of European Airlines which has called on the EC to relax the current slot rules due to "the exceptional circumstances facing airlines in the wake of 11th September terrorist attacks".
The EC will present a package of measures tomorrow to provide temporary support to the airlines and is expected to concede the principle of relaxing the "use it or lose it" slot regulation.
The FT says it has seen a draft EC paper that says that airlines should keep their rights to slots in the 2002 summer season irrespective of their use during the current season.
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Seems to me that the EU Commission needs to look at what's going on. If EZY, or any of the other low cost carriers, can operate a european route, in place of the majors, successfully then it should be allowed to do so - after all Europe is a level playing field. As far as slots for suspended North Atlantic fights are concerned, well that may be a different matter. These flights will have to be operated again as soon as possible for the sake of our industry. We don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot and go into self distruct mode like the Americans have done - crippling their own aviation industry because they are scared to fly!
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Tried to book last minute last week to AGP. Had the choice of LTN or more conveniently BA from LHR. Quoted £65 by easyJet. £1495 (economy!) by BA LHR. You don`t need many pax at that price to make a profit. Then again of course, you won`t get many.
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btb + harry.
£1450 to agp! £500 to edi!
get a grip. if you want to advertise easy then buy some space in the sun. try, and i know it's hard, but keep your fantastic BA prices at least believable.
sorry if am a little touchy but fed up listening to the same old easy/ryan crap. Yes you are cheaper. well done. your service is not as good but hey thats why your cheaper. You pays your money you takes your chance.
Lets hope we've all got job's in 6 months!
£1450 to agp! £500 to edi!
get a grip. if you want to advertise easy then buy some space in the sun. try, and i know it's hard, but keep your fantastic BA prices at least believable.
sorry if am a little touchy but fed up listening to the same old easy/ryan crap. Yes you are cheaper. well done. your service is not as good but hey thats why your cheaper. You pays your money you takes your chance.
Lets hope we've all got job's in 6 months!
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Noddy, I`m sorry, but that was EXACTLY the price I was quoted on the net. I will endeavour to use my limited technoskills to reproduce it and paste it on this thread.
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On the slots question, most of the slots being vacated at LGW are to allow BA to move flights to LHR, to replace trans-Atlantic frequencies.. so most of the empty slots are, in fact, intercontinental. And slots aren't allocated on a route-by-route basis anyway. Easyjet are also mouting off about wanting BA's Belfast slots at LHR.. BA are in fact using these slots themselves to fly to other destinations.
On the fares between London and Malaga... flying out today (earliest available flight) and back in one week (lates available flight) costs £320 on BA, £190 on EZY.
The same journey done a week later costs £210 on BA, and.. guess what.. £210 on EZY!!!
Anyone who suggest he was quoted £1500 for this trip, might I humbly suggest that (a) he was looking at first class prices, or (b) he was going via Melbourne.
On the fares between London and Malaga... flying out today (earliest available flight) and back in one week (lates available flight) costs £320 on BA, £190 on EZY.
The same journey done a week later costs £210 on BA, and.. guess what.. £210 on EZY!!!
Anyone who suggest he was quoted £1500 for this trip, might I humbly suggest that (a) he was looking at first class prices, or (b) he was going via Melbourne.
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Parents came round last night to book for a trip to Nice, Easy jet for the Dates and TIME they wanted to fly £150 somthing. BA not on the net but on the phone £189 not bad considering if your flight gets cancelled BA will take responsibility for you and get you to your destination ASAP, Easy/Ryan etc, will tell you to book into your own hotel payed for by yourself, they will then offer to book you onto their next flight but hey theres only 2 seats left and there going to be an additional £90 ...... credit card please!!
PS yes BA pilot and yes willing to admit BA website CR@p for booking tickets!!
PS yes BA pilot and yes willing to admit BA website CR@p for booking tickets!!
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Obtained from BA's website this morning. (No it's not via Australia, and no I don't work for Easy!)
Total Price: £ 745.50
Passengers: 1 adult, 0 children, 0 infants
Outbound: Thu 11 October 2001 Gatwick (London) to Malaga
Flight: BA6988
Depart: 11 October 2001 19:00 LGW
Arrive: 11 October 2001 22:55 AGP
Inbound: Sun 14 October 2001 Malaga to Gatwick (London)
Flight: BA6987
Depart: 14 October 2001 22:10 AGP
Arrive: 14 October 2001 23:50 LGW
Total Price: £ 745.50
Passengers: 1 adult, 0 children, 0 infants
Outbound: Thu 11 October 2001 Gatwick (London) to Malaga
Flight: BA6988
Depart: 11 October 2001 19:00 LGW
Arrive: 11 October 2001 22:55 AGP
Inbound: Sun 14 October 2001 Malaga to Gatwick (London)
Flight: BA6987
Depart: 14 October 2001 22:10 AGP
Arrive: 14 October 2001 23:50 LGW
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Can't believe the cr@p on this thread.
This constant carping by budget employees is nothing short of infantile. Constantly, threads are being generated as part of the puff from the respective marketing departments.
This country is currently fighting a war on terrorism. If you can grasp that concept, you will understand the reasons for the EU acting the way they do. The aviation industry is suffering on a global scale, and it benefits nobody but the terrorists to knock other airlines like this.
Stop knocking the industry, ALL of your livelihoods depend on it.
As regards quoting fares on this website, jeez, we're all in the industry and know how it works. To start quoting fares is just plain stupid, Doh!!
So easyjet is sometimes cheaper, what a surprise. What do you want, a medal!
This constant carping by budget employees is nothing short of infantile. Constantly, threads are being generated as part of the puff from the respective marketing departments.
This country is currently fighting a war on terrorism. If you can grasp that concept, you will understand the reasons for the EU acting the way they do. The aviation industry is suffering on a global scale, and it benefits nobody but the terrorists to knock other airlines like this.
Stop knocking the industry, ALL of your livelihoods depend on it.
As regards quoting fares on this website, jeez, we're all in the industry and know how it works. To start quoting fares is just plain stupid, Doh!!
So easyjet is sometimes cheaper, what a surprise. What do you want, a medal!
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Struggling to comprehend the fares quoted on AGP on this thread - the top whack full fare business class return is around £800 with BA... Obvious that the late availability high prices reflect that the flights are full and only business class left. Current lowest fares with BA to AGP are around £120 return inclusive - but these lowest fares often have to be booked 7 days in advance. Tried in vain to find a cheap flight to AGP on one of the low cost carriers and really struggled to find availability - fares often far higher than the national carriers.
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Hi flypastpastfast!
Just to let U know, I don't work for easyjet!
They may well have started some threads, but I just saw that report on ceefax and posted it coz I thought it was relevant!
As far as 'low cost vs full service' arguement goes, I got tickets for LTN-Zurich for £100 (weekend) on Easy. But had to book 1 months in advance, and of course was not relying on them to 'get me to meeting'. However, we did depart on time on the Sat morning. Just delayed 10 mins at hold for incoming aircraft - low vis procedures.
Coming back sunday, was directed to wrong gate
and we taxied about 10 mins late, but 40 min wait in takeoff queue!
Still, I suppose this could have happend on BA.
OK for leisure travel IMHO, but can't comment on how reliable they are for weekday 'buiness type' schedule flying.
Just to let U know, I don't work for easyjet!
They may well have started some threads, but I just saw that report on ceefax and posted it coz I thought it was relevant!
As far as 'low cost vs full service' arguement goes, I got tickets for LTN-Zurich for £100 (weekend) on Easy. But had to book 1 months in advance, and of course was not relying on them to 'get me to meeting'. However, we did depart on time on the Sat morning. Just delayed 10 mins at hold for incoming aircraft - low vis procedures.
Coming back sunday, was directed to wrong gate
and we taxied about 10 mins late, but 40 min wait in takeoff queue!Still, I suppose this could have happend on BA.
OK for leisure travel IMHO, but can't comment on how reliable they are for weekday 'buiness type' schedule flying.
Here's the price I was quoted using the above information and lowest Economy fare:
Total Price: £ 221.50
Passengers: 1 adult, 0 children, 0 infants Outbound: Thu 11 October 2001 Gatwick (London) to Malaga
Flight: BA6988
Depart: 11 October 2001 19:00 LGW
Arrive: 11 October 2001 22:55 AGP Inbound: Sun 14 October 2001 Malaga to Gatwick (London)
Flight: BA6987
Depart: 14 October 2001 22:10 AGP
Arrive: 14 October 2001 23:50 LGW
Total Price: £ 221.50
Passengers: 1 adult, 0 children, 0 infants Outbound: Thu 11 October 2001 Gatwick (London) to Malaga
Flight: BA6988
Depart: 11 October 2001 19:00 LGW
Arrive: 11 October 2001 22:55 AGP Inbound: Sun 14 October 2001 Malaga to Gatwick (London)
Flight: BA6987
Depart: 14 October 2001 22:10 AGP
Arrive: 14 October 2001 23:50 LGW
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Could I just point out that 'BA' flights from LHR and LGW to AGP are actually operated by franchisee GB Airways who do a nice job of turning a profit year after year so if this thread has developed into a BA should lower its prices arguement it rather misses the point! If GB can fill its aircraft to Malaga at higher fares, good luck to it.