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I take it that we still don't know for sure what happened to either the engine nor the aircraft from the standpoint of mechanical damage.
I assume the pilots just followed their standard procedures for a report of smoke in the cabin along with abnormal engine symptoms.
Understandable that the SLF in the back seeing the flash of flame out an engine along with the bang and then smoke in the cabin are going to be scared. I'm not sure that any experts have confirmed the degree of uncontained whether it be through the side of the engine or chewed up bits out the front or back airstream of the engine.
I assume the pilots just followed their standard procedures for a report of smoke in the cabin along with abnormal engine symptoms.
Understandable that the SLF in the back seeing the flash of flame out an engine along with the bang and then smoke in the cabin are going to be scared. I'm not sure that any experts have confirmed the degree of uncontained whether it be through the side of the engine or chewed up bits out the front or back airstream of the engine.
the degree of uncontained whether it be through the side of the engine or chewed up bits out the front or back airstream of the engine
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It is unusual these days that somewhere someone has not released a picture of the damage to the engine and/or aircraft and pylon if any.
According to the passenger interviewed on NBC is was a near death experience. The plane shook so hard when the engine "exploded" that the passenger had trouble for a few seconds pushing the correct letters so she could text on her phone.
Understandable that the SLF in the back seeing the flash of flame out an engine along with the bang and then smoke in the cabin are going to be scared
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Not everyone in the business will agree with this distinction. Parts blown out the tailpipe present a real hazard to the tailplane; particularly to hydraulic etc. systems inside the stab LE. 
Though hot end parts exiting via the tailpipe aren't classed as an "uncontained" failure.
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It is unusual these days that somewhere someone has not released a picture of the damage to the engine and/or aircraft and pylon if any.
The news today is that VivaAerobus will order 40 A320's with PW motors...
(Same person who set up Ryanair set up this airline)
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Not everyone in the business will agree with this distinction.
Statement today:
"The NTSB has an investigator on the scene at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport inspecting and documenting the engine, an International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500, which has now been removed from the airplane.
As a result of the initial inspection, it was determined that the engine failure was contained, meaning it did not penetrate the engine casing."
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In a couple of shots it sure looks like you can see shredded top of wing. If as stated the video is off this flight then doesn't this qualify as "uncontained"?
got it, hence deleted my post. news video of the story had clips intermingled of the Quantas Spirit, likely to show what an uncontained incident looks like. While I did not apply anything like adequate comprehension I suspect many viewers would have seen that story and thought they were seeing the incident aircraft. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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In a couple of shots it sure looks like you can see shredded top of wing. If as stated the video is off this flight then doesn't this qualify as "uncontained"?
Hey Duck, not wanting to sound condescending, but do an engine-number check on the A319 for me.
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Update from NTSB
NTSB Investigating Engine Failure Aboard Spirit Airlines Flight 165
Oct. 17, 2013
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Tuesday’s engine failure on a Spirit Airlines Airbus A319, which was flying from Dallas to Atlanta when the event occurred.
The NTSB has an investigator on the scene at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport inspecting and documenting the engine, an International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500, which has now been removed from the airplane.
As a result of the initial inspection, it was determined that the engine failure was contained, meaning it did not penetrate the engine casing.
The engine will be shipped to a separate facility for a detailed examination and disassembly. IAE, the Federal Aviation Administration, and Spirit Airlines are parties to the investigation.
The NTSB has also secured the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder from Spirit Flight 165. The recorders are being brought back to Washington, DC for readout and analysis.
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Eric M. Weiss
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Oct. 17, 2013
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Tuesday’s engine failure on a Spirit Airlines Airbus A319, which was flying from Dallas to Atlanta when the event occurred.
The NTSB has an investigator on the scene at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport inspecting and documenting the engine, an International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500, which has now been removed from the airplane.
As a result of the initial inspection, it was determined that the engine failure was contained, meaning it did not penetrate the engine casing.
The engine will be shipped to a separate facility for a detailed examination and disassembly. IAE, the Federal Aviation Administration, and Spirit Airlines are parties to the investigation.
The NTSB has also secured the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder from Spirit Flight 165. The recorders are being brought back to Washington, DC for readout and analysis.
Contact Information
Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
Eric M. Weiss
(202) 314-6100
[email protected]
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First we have an uncontained failure, and then we don't.
To any technician observing, I should think this determination could be made in less than a minute - I'd expect 5 - 10 seconds even - and that determination would remain unchallenged through the final report. The evidence will be so blatant, there will be no reason to doubt.
But now we have the NTSB waffling on the question. What is going on here???
To any technician observing, I should think this determination could be made in less than a minute - I'd expect 5 - 10 seconds even - and that determination would remain unchallenged through the final report. The evidence will be so blatant, there will be no reason to doubt.
But now we have the NTSB waffling on the question. What is going on here???
But now we have the NTSB waffling on the question. What is going on here???
That they had received such a report was true. The report, though, wasn't.
I would imagine that, as you surmise, very little time elapsed between the NTSB investigator actually seeing the engine for the first time, and his relaying back to HQ that it had been a contained failure.
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It is a bit strange that there are still no images of the engine...
Somewhere I read the engine is already off the airframe and a new one being installed.
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We had an Airbus 300 have an engine fire after takeoff at San Juan and the fire burned through the fire detector loop making the engine fire light go out so they landed with an engine on fire. A mechanic in back told the FA the engine was on fire but they landed with it running causing a lot of grief to the FO causing major problems with him. I know the captain who was on that flight. They dealt with what they saw on their panel, not looking out a passenger window. Let him rest in peace.
We had an Airbus 300 have an engine fire after takeoff at San Juan and the fire burned through the fire detector loop making the engine fire light go out so they landed with an engine on fire. A mechanic in back told the FA the engine was on fire but they landed with it running causing a lot of grief to the FO causing major problems with him. I know the captain who was on that flight. They dealt with what they saw on their panel, not looking out a passenger window. Let him rest in peace.
Somewhere I read the engine is already off the airframe and a new one being installed.
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While I doubt that anyone who knows me would refer to me as a drama queen dressed in a man's clothes, I don't think that seeing flames coming from an engine of a plane that I was on would give me warm fuzzies, and I doubt that the crew was entirely sanguine either.
I do know that I'd not speak to the media on camera.
Been there, done that, ended up looking like a twit, although the brief interview didn't involve aviation.
You see, they edit the shoot as they see fit for the evening news, so they can easily make anyone look like a twit, except for those who've either had the experience or who've had the benefit of professional coaching.
Good outcome for all, though. Nobody injured and the aircraft not harmed. Good work by the crew.
I do know that I'd not speak to the media on camera.
Been there, done that, ended up looking like a twit, although the brief interview didn't involve aviation.
You see, they edit the shoot as they see fit for the evening news, so they can easily make anyone look like a twit, except for those who've either had the experience or who've had the benefit of professional coaching.
Good outcome for all, though. Nobody injured and the aircraft not harmed. Good work by the crew.