BALPA recognition pays off at Easy
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BALPA recognition pays off at Easy
BALPA were officially recognised by easyJet recently despite a flurry of paperwork advising pilots not to vote "YES" in the recognition ballot.
A 1% pay offer for co pilots and 2% for captains was this week turned down by the pilots of the company. Incredibly, pilots were informed a rolling RPI of 1.3% was used when deciding how much of a pay increase to award. Also, rostering agreements unilaterally cancelled by the rostering manager have caused BALPA to notify the company that this is not acceptable.
Although easyJet is plastered all over the press and is set to become a major player, lifestyle negotiations for pilots(and cabin crew) are ongoing.Specifically pay and rostering.
It is rumoured another pay deal is on the table of 7% to put easy pilots back ,as the chief training captains oft quoted saying, as market leaders. GB airways recently awarded their pilots over 4%, GO have a higher salary, and easy are now amongst the lowest paid 737 pilots in the UK.
A 1% pay offer for co pilots and 2% for captains was this week turned down by the pilots of the company. Incredibly, pilots were informed a rolling RPI of 1.3% was used when deciding how much of a pay increase to award. Also, rostering agreements unilaterally cancelled by the rostering manager have caused BALPA to notify the company that this is not acceptable.
Although easyJet is plastered all over the press and is set to become a major player, lifestyle negotiations for pilots(and cabin crew) are ongoing.Specifically pay and rostering.
It is rumoured another pay deal is on the table of 7% to put easy pilots back ,as the chief training captains oft quoted saying, as market leaders. GB airways recently awarded their pilots over 4%, GO have a higher salary, and easy are now amongst the lowest paid 737 pilots in the UK.
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Puzzle me this....?
For a company about to announce handsome profits why present a pay deal that is not market leading, even though it was based on market forces, and worse still proposed to introduce a probationary pay scale for new recruits as well as newly promoted captains, regardless of their time with the company?
Innovative it was, so much so that there is now a "formal failure to agree."
For a company about to announce handsome profits why present a pay deal that is not market leading, even though it was based on market forces, and worse still proposed to introduce a probationary pay scale for new recruits as well as newly promoted captains, regardless of their time with the company?
Innovative it was, so much so that there is now a "formal failure to agree."
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quite true. I have heard that the company saving from the 90% probationary pay is approx double the cost to the companyof the "offered" pay rise!!! ie the company is actually making money out of our pay rise. With the chief training captain also sending a letter saying we must attack costs, hence we will only pay the new boys 90% salary for 100% responsiblity,things are a little tense on the line. Could this be the start of a "B" scale? I do not know of any other staff being put on 90% pay and I strongly reject any proposal that cost base savings are earnt from pilot lifestyles. With the recent news that the company is to buy GO, the implications are that all of the GO pilots could be offered a reduced salary with a take it or leave it caveat to their new contract!!!
quite true. I have heard that the company saving from the 90% probationary pay is approx double the cost to the companyof the "offered" pay rise!!! ie the company is actually making money out of our pay rise. With the chief training captain also sending a letter saying we must attack costs, hence we will only pay the new boys 90% salary for 100% responsiblity,things are a little tense on the line. Could this be the start of a "B" scale? I do not know of any other staff being put on 90% pay and I strongly reject any proposal that cost base savings are earnt from pilot lifestyles. With the recent news that the company is to buy GO, the implications are that all of the GO pilots could be offered a reduced salary with a take it or leave it caveat to their new contract!!!
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I THINK that any sale of GO will involve the TUPE rules.
Under the rules the Go pilots will get:
There existing pay and allowances
They will keep any work/flight time/timetable rules that are included in there terms with GO
They will keep any union representation.
If Easy do buy GO they will need to run two "companies" within the group unless they can do a deal (pay) the GO pilots to come over to the Easy terms.
Under the rules the Go pilots will get:
There existing pay and allowances
They will keep any work/flight time/timetable rules that are included in there terms with GO
They will keep any union representation.
If Easy do buy GO they will need to run two "companies" within the group unless they can do a deal (pay) the GO pilots to come over to the Easy terms.
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At the moment all the bmi 737 pilots are based a LHR, unless they are temporarily in EMA on the baby flights. I'm led t believe that the baby pay rates are based on Go's pay schedule.
NOt bad money if you can get it.
NOt bad money if you can get it.
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The intention is to have one AOC so the GO boys will have to do it the easy way once their own AOC is cancelled. No more monitored approaches, no more interline with buzz and ryanair, easy rates of pay(paycut), and a lovely orange uniform for the cabin crew. Go crews can also look forward to some diabolical rostering practices. i mention this as I understand they have pretty good rosters at the mo.
The intention is to have one AOC so the GO boys will have to do it the easy way once their own AOC is cancelled. No more monitored approaches, no more interline with buzz and ryanair, easy rates of pay(paycut), and a lovely orange uniform for the cabin crew. Go crews can also look forward to some diabolical rostering practices. i mention this as I understand they have pretty good rosters at the mo.
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easy have always prided themselves on paying their pilots well. That is clearly changing.
Reference the Go takeover. Previous experience is that their employees (Go's) will have to watch their backs when it comes to possible redundencies. I believe that the pilots should not have a problem with this because of easy's need for qualified 737 pilots with their expansion. But the ground / office staff will certainly have to watch out.
Reference the Go takeover. Previous experience is that their employees (Go's) will have to watch their backs when it comes to possible redundencies. I believe that the pilots should not have a problem with this because of easy's need for qualified 737 pilots with their expansion. But the ground / office staff will certainly have to watch out.
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Rosters...
twinjet - I thought you guys worked a fixed roster?
You're right about the rosters at Go - they are pretty good. The rostering guy keeps 99% of us happy 99% of the time, which is a pretty good trick! And crewing I find very helpful as well.
As mentioned on another thread, I hope it won't just be a case of painting everything Orange, and telling us to do everything your way, albeit this is a takeover not a merger.
If we take the best bits from both, we could really end up with a cracking airline that will be the largest low cost airline outside the States...I'm beginning to warm to the idea....throw in the Oktoberfest and beer in Munchen and the harpies will be seriously on the run!
You're right about the rosters at Go - they are pretty good. The rostering guy keeps 99% of us happy 99% of the time, which is a pretty good trick! And crewing I find very helpful as well.
As mentioned on another thread, I hope it won't just be a case of painting everything Orange, and telling us to do everything your way, albeit this is a takeover not a merger.
If we take the best bits from both, we could really end up with a cracking airline that will be the largest low cost airline outside the States...I'm beginning to warm to the idea....throw in the Oktoberfest and beer in Munchen and the harpies will be seriously on the run!
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Yes there is a fixed roster at easyJet. 2 sets of 7 on & 2 off and 2 sets of 6 on 3 off per month. When the fixed roster system first came out it was 6 on 3 off but this was changed later to the above patten. In order to implement the change the company by-passed the Pilot Council and Balpa. You are also guaranteed a late finish followed by an early start or vica versa either side of your days off. However, not a bad company to work for if you can ignore the hopeless rostering.
Yes there is a fixed roster at easyJet. 2 sets of 7 on & 2 off and 2 sets of 6 on 3 off per month. When the fixed roster system first came out it was 6 on 3 off but this was changed later to the above patten. In order to implement the change the company by-passed the Pilot Council and Balpa. You are also guaranteed a late finish followed by an early start or vica versa either side of your days off. However, not a bad company to work for if you can ignore the hopeless rostering.
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I agree with some of what you say, the operational stuff can go over to the easy system.
BUT
The employment stuff (pay hours etc.) is protected by the TUPE rules.Easy will have to find a way to run two system in one AOC or bring the easy pilots to the GO conditions.
As an aside it is simpler to bring easy terms down to Go levels in any deal as easy pilots will not have the protection of the TUPE rules. They would only be protected by there contract of employment.
I agree with some of what you say, the operational stuff can go over to the easy system.
BUT
The employment stuff (pay hours etc.) is protected by the TUPE rules.Easy will have to find a way to run two system in one AOC or bring the easy pilots to the GO conditions.
As an aside it is simpler to bring easy terms down to Go levels in any deal as easy pilots will not have the protection of the TUPE rules. They would only be protected by there contract of employment.
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Never heard of TUPE so cannot comment on protected rights etc but if the easy boys do have to match Gos salary, this would be welcome as you are paid more. However , car parking and food is free at easy so this may balance out. In any case, we are not known to be slick administrators( cant even crew 300/700 pilots efficiently) so expect a load of mayhem come the day of the union!!! Oh and did I mention the rostering was diabolical in my last post? In case I didnt, I just want you to know the rostering is diabolical, just to make that perfectly clear!!!
Never heard of TUPE so cannot comment on protected rights etc but if the easy boys do have to match Gos salary, this would be welcome as you are paid more. However , car parking and food is free at easy so this may balance out. In any case, we are not known to be slick administrators( cant even crew 300/700 pilots efficiently) so expect a load of mayhem come the day of the union!!! Oh and did I mention the rostering was diabolical in my last post? In case I didnt, I just want you to know the rostering is diabolical, just to make that perfectly clear!!!
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Puzzle me this....?
£1.0 million profit, yet it should be treble this. The inefficient rostering, which has already been well described on this thread, continues to cost the company millions in poor productivity and drives the morale of crew down. Whether there is a merger or not easyjet would do well to look at Go's rostering and take a leaf from their book. This is an area where the cost base could be really driven down, rather than hair brained schemes like taxiing on one engine!
By the way Floppy dont panic, the wonderful pay offer was overwhelmingly rejected.
£1.0 million profit, yet it should be treble this. The inefficient rostering, which has already been well described on this thread, continues to cost the company millions in poor productivity and drives the morale of crew down. Whether there is a merger or not easyjet would do well to look at Go's rostering and take a leaf from their book. This is an area where the cost base could be really driven down, rather than hair brained schemes like taxiing on one engine!
By the way Floppy dont panic, the wonderful pay offer was overwhelmingly rejected.
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Now that the pay offer has been rejected, and in light of the fact that the company has been on a shopping spree to buy airlines, does anybody know what is happening in the next round of pay talks? As a workforce, can we ask the company for a rights issue to fund a huge pay award?? 
Maybe we could get more than the rumoured 7%!!!
Maybe we could get more than the rumoured 7%!!!
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So Twinjet, after all your considerable moaning, whingeing, sniping and vituperative invective about your current employer........the rest of us out here now deserve the right to know the answer to the $64,000 question.........why do you stay with them?
And no, just more moaning and whingeing is NOT a good enough answer. Please look back at all the negative stuff you have posted and then ask yourself - "can I not get a job anywhere else?"
I suppose the answer has got to be no, because if you could get an alternative job, then you would be a fool to carry on what you are doing - after all they are just so BAD to you are they not?!
Go on, start yet another pointless thread about how lousy they are to work for, why don't you - unlike some other airlines they seem to be paying the mortgages of their employees rather consistently.
Look at some of the charter operators and their particularly dodgy temporary contracts, " yes of course you are employed all year, but we will only be paying you for 6 months old chap.... now the really clever bit is that for 6 months, you can do what you want.... because we don't NEED you to fly for us!"
Yeah..... to have a permanent employer must be SUCH a drag......tell us ALL about it.
And no, just more moaning and whingeing is NOT a good enough answer. Please look back at all the negative stuff you have posted and then ask yourself - "can I not get a job anywhere else?"
I suppose the answer has got to be no, because if you could get an alternative job, then you would be a fool to carry on what you are doing - after all they are just so BAD to you are they not?!
Go on, start yet another pointless thread about how lousy they are to work for, why don't you - unlike some other airlines they seem to be paying the mortgages of their employees rather consistently.
Look at some of the charter operators and their particularly dodgy temporary contracts, " yes of course you are employed all year, but we will only be paying you for 6 months old chap.... now the really clever bit is that for 6 months, you can do what you want.... because we don't NEED you to fly for us!"
Yeah..... to have a permanent employer must be SUCH a drag......tell us ALL about it.
Puzzler,
The 1.0 million profit was for the previous 6 WINTER months.
The last 6 SUMMER months produced a 40.0 million profit, something the Beeb failed to mention on their reports.
As for all the other moaning, over the years I have found ALL airlines are basically the same, its just the colour of your tie that changes.
Twinjet:
True, airlines vary greatly in their efficiency and some are better at somethings and notso at others. But at the end of the day its up to you to decide where you want to work. For me, stability and an enjoyable working atmosphere are important - for others the efficiency of the rostering team seem to be high on their personal list of priorities.
Pilots are perfectionists, that is the nature of our business, and it is sometimes frustrating to see mistakes and oversights re-occuring - but I'm sure its not done on purpose.
Chill out a bit and just enjoy your flying!
The 1.0 million profit was for the previous 6 WINTER months.
The last 6 SUMMER months produced a 40.0 million profit, something the Beeb failed to mention on their reports.
As for all the other moaning, over the years I have found ALL airlines are basically the same, its just the colour of your tie that changes.
Twinjet:
True, airlines vary greatly in their efficiency and some are better at somethings and notso at others. But at the end of the day its up to you to decide where you want to work. For me, stability and an enjoyable working atmosphere are important - for others the efficiency of the rostering team seem to be high on their personal list of priorities.
Pilots are perfectionists, that is the nature of our business, and it is sometimes frustrating to see mistakes and oversights re-occuring - but I'm sure its not done on purpose.
Chill out a bit and just enjoy your flying!