"2010 JFK A380 go-around incident highlights need for change"
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Barkingmad: Who do I think I am, the BEA? As far as I know, they kept asking Kennedy Tower for an attitude of 2000 milliradians over the Permanent Marker, and those rude and non-ICAO-compliant KJFK controllers insisted they speak Amurrican.
Inspiring Confidence? Well, if you're looking for Hull Losses, AF is only first on 60% of the major Airbus types that have suffered them so far; even less if you count the A321 and A319 as separate types; and of those, the A300 was from an uncontained turbine failure, leading to a fire after a high-speed reject, and the A340 was a hangar fire, where a hydraulic pump overheated. Of couse, if you mean first hull losses after exceeding 80 kts, well, then the A300 counts, and the first such A340 loss was AF at Toronto, so that still gets you 60%. But they still can't beat an A330 lost in testing.
Inspiring Confidence? Well, if you're looking for Hull Losses, AF is only first on 60% of the major Airbus types that have suffered them so far; even less if you count the A321 and A319 as separate types; and of those, the A300 was from an uncontained turbine failure, leading to a fire after a high-speed reject, and the A340 was a hangar fire, where a hydraulic pump overheated. Of couse, if you mean first hull losses after exceeding 80 kts, well, then the A300 counts, and the first such A340 loss was AF at Toronto, so that still gets you 60%. But they still can't beat an A330 lost in testing.
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Its about time the SAFA inspectors at Nice started taking an interest in Air France, and stop wasting their time investigating innocent and competant crews flying non EASA registered aircraft!
Does anyone have any proven statistics related to Air France's accident/incident record? Just the last two years would do.....
Does anyone have any proven statistics related to Air France's accident/incident record? Just the last two years would do.....
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Deefer dog SAFA stands for Safety Audit of FOREIGN Aircraft. Therefore this kind of inspection would not apply to a French airline in Nice.
Anyway it's nice to see you all have a go at the French
Anyway it's nice to see you all have a go at the French
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ZBMAN :
No we are having a go at Air France and the way their operate their Airbus. . We are discussing the airline, not the French.
Dinger X :
you are right, my mistake. Out of curiosity, were those the early 3 man crew ( with FE) ?
Again we are talking airline , not flight testing. AF is unfortunately the first airline that distroyed an A330.
Regarding the A340, I was thinking of Toronto rather than the Hangar fire one. So we should say the 2 first ones ?
Anyway I do not want to start a competition, just wanted to say that for a reason I cannot yet understand , AF does not seem to learn from its incidents/accidents and is still at odd with all other western airlines their size
especially regarding AI types. I find this very sad.
Anyway it's nice to see you all have a go at the French
Dinger X :
Air France operated up to 11 A310s for 18 years without losing one.
they still can't beat an A330 lost in testing.
Regarding the A340, I was thinking of Toronto rather than the Hangar fire one. So we should say the 2 first ones ?
Anyway I do not want to start a competition, just wanted to say that for a reason I cannot yet understand , AF does not seem to learn from its incidents/accidents and is still at odd with all other western airlines their size
especially regarding AI types. I find this very sad.
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It is in my list. This one everyone remembers because caught on video.
But sending AF airliners to make low passes to small aeroclubs meetings with grass runways was very , very common prior 1988 . Many knew one day it would end badly.
this short video is from that period.(la Ferte Allais , 1987 ).
just watch between 01:40 and 01:55
Incidentally the pilot of that flight is the same one that crashed in Gonesse...
Fate was the hunter again.
But sending AF airliners to make low passes to small aeroclubs meetings with grass runways was very , very common prior 1988 . Many knew one day it would end badly.
this short video is from that period.(la Ferte Allais , 1987 ).
Incidentally the pilot of that flight is the same one that crashed in Gonesse...
Fate was the hunter again.
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Hardly anything special to Air France; British Airways used to do it all the time as well. On the wall at White Waltham we used to have some lovely photos of airliners doing low passes at local airshows. I also recall in the early 80's an airshow at Aberdeen where the shuttle from Heathrow did a low pass before landing to be part of the fun!
Incidentally the pilot of that flight is the same one that crashed in Gonesse...
Fate was the hunter again.
Fate was the hunter again.
PS: What an absolutely magnificent aeroplane. I can only dream about being at the airfield watching that.
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capt bloggs ,
What ? of course not! please !!!! just the coincidence .
I also fly myself low passes at airshows, nothing dangerous into that if properly planned .
Bringing a large airliner above a grass runway without proper doc for those airfields operations , like in Habsheim and here, is what I was illustating by that video. You will notice that the second pass is much higher . There was considerable discussion after that event and I believe ( someone can correct me ) that it was the last of a Concorde flypass at La Ferte Allais show.
What, are you saying he deserved to die because he did flypasts years before?
I also fly myself low passes at airshows, nothing dangerous into that if properly planned .
Bringing a large airliner above a grass runway without proper doc for those airfields operations , like in Habsheim and here, is what I was illustating by that video. You will notice that the second pass is much higher . There was considerable discussion after that event and I believe ( someone can correct me ) that it was the last of a Concorde flypass at La Ferte Allais show.
What ? of course not! please !!!! just the coincidence .
Nice pics of the VC10.
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I was once told: "Every approach is an approach to a Go-Around. If you can get a landing off it, so much the better, but you should always be ready for a Go-Around and it should never be a surprise".
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PROPER AEROPLANE.
At least the VC10 was genuine FBW (steel version 1.1) and didn't have those nasty underslung engines which give pitch-power problems to poor pilots and also get in the way of a good low flypsast!!
Hear hear! Lovely pictures!
Hear hear! Lovely pictures!
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Bringing a large airliner above a grass runway without proper doc for those airfields operations , like in Habsheim
Habsheim is paved by the way.
Originally Posted by Firefly Bob
My last operator specified that a low altitude off a GA was a potential threat and this was to be highlighted in the Descent/Approach Brief.
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Why 'curious'? Why not "Every flight that has a low altitude off a GA"? Sounds eminently sensible to me. Even smacks of airmanship - dang - I said it again.
I suppose one thing that has changed in the last few decades is the better (potential) climb performance of modern aircraft.
Perhaps these low level offs should be revised in the light of this?
Years ago we didn't have auto GA so we had to fly the GA manually.
Perhaps these low level offs should be revised in the light of this?
Years ago we didn't have auto GA so we had to fly the GA manually.