Asiana flight crash at San Francisco
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It does seem listening to the ATC conversation on CNN, that prior to the accident there was some technical problem as emergency services had been called prior to the landing.
Maybe I misunderstood, but that's the way it seemed to me.
Maybe I misunderstood, but that's the way it seemed to me.
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B-HKD you missed my point. I hope the A/T was in SPD mode. Nothing saying that if it isn't you don't override it. Being qualified on type, SFO visual approaches and culture it's not a given.
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ILS (or lack of)
28L has no GP and no PAPIs:
Q) KZOA/QLPAS/IV/BO/A/000/999/3737N12223W005
B) FROM: 13/07/06 22:19C) TO: 13/07/08 22:19 EST
E) RWY 28L PAPI U/S
Q) KZOA/QIGAS/I/NBO/A/000/999/3737N12223W005
B) FROM: 13/06/01 14:00C) TO: 13/08/22 23:59
E) ILS RWY 28L GP U/S
Q) KZOA/QLPAS/IV/BO/A/000/999/3737N12223W005
B) FROM: 13/07/06 22:19C) TO: 13/07/08 22:19 EST
E) RWY 28L PAPI U/S
Q) KZOA/QIGAS/I/NBO/A/000/999/3737N12223W005
B) FROM: 13/06/01 14:00C) TO: 13/08/22 23:59
E) ILS RWY 28L GP U/S
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The profiles shown in PaperTigers post indicte (if accurate) that the approach started from a higher altitude than the "normal"other approach. So, possibly, high with idle power, trying to correct to a normal visual picture? An over correction (profile flattens) and then a "dive" back towards profile but overdone with thrust reducing to idle.....sinks in short final.....pulls and hits tail?
Eyewitnesses say it was "wobbly". Possibly a PIO with resultant low power?
Speculation but how else do you manage to smack the tail and take it off 1000' short of the TDZ?
Eyewitnesses say it was "wobbly". Possibly a PIO with resultant low power?
Speculation but how else do you manage to smack the tail and take it off 1000' short of the TDZ?
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CNN played an edited audio recording between the Pilot and ATC. The part where other aircraft were communicating with tower after the crew received their landing clearance was cut out.
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B-HKD you missed my point. I hope the A/T was in SPD mode. Nothing saying that if it isn't you don't override it. Being qualified on type, SFO visual approaches and culture it's not a given.
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a passenger is giving an interview on CNN at the moment
although it is a passengers comments, he does seem to back up some of the speculation here as well.
1)high on approach
2)rapid descent to try to get back into the slot
3)late realization that the rate of descent might be overcooked
4)application of thrust and harsh pitch change to arrest rate of descend
5)tail gets "hammered" (passengers words) into the ground
6)rearmost passengers are the worst off
although it is a passengers comments, he does seem to back up some of the speculation here as well.
1)high on approach
2)rapid descent to try to get back into the slot
3)late realization that the rate of descent might be overcooked
4)application of thrust and harsh pitch change to arrest rate of descend
5)tail gets "hammered" (passengers words) into the ground
6)rearmost passengers are the worst off
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It does seem listening to the ATC conversation on CNN, that prior to the accident there was some technical problem as emergency services had been called prior to the landing.
http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
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The clowns at Asiana have yet to release a official press release even aknowledging the accident. Unbelievable.
I suspect the result of this will be a swift decision to employ western DEC's who remember how to land a plane using hand and eyes. Just like their hometown competition did following the Guam crash. Unfortunately, that did not result in any change of culture whatsoever.
There is always hope that this time around they will learn...
In any case, there will no doubt be attempts by the airline to blame the fault on inop ILS and VGSI.
Too bad the average passenger isnt aware that shiny new planes and cabins dont necessarily mean trained and capable pilots.
I suspect the result of this will be a swift decision to employ western DEC's who remember how to land a plane using hand and eyes. Just like their hometown competition did following the Guam crash. Unfortunately, that did not result in any change of culture whatsoever.
There is always hope that this time around they will learn...
In any case, there will no doubt be attempts by the airline to blame the fault on inop ILS and VGSI.
Too bad the average passenger isnt aware that shiny new planes and cabins dont necessarily mean trained and capable pilots.
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If the readouts are correct the power must have been very low for the a/c to slow that quickly while descending at 1,300 FPM.
If the 600' data is correct it shows an airplane descending at a higher than usual ROD, speed above Vref and slowing, which would require a power setting significantly less than usual.
If the readouts are correct the power must have been very low for the a/c to slow that quickly while descending at 1,300 FPM.
If the 600' data is correct it shows an airplane descending at a higher than usual ROD, speed above Vref and slowing, which would require a power setting significantly less than usual.
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It's early Sunday morning in Seoul. The folks on duty at HQ are juniors who won't wake their superiors or act before they have been given orders. The culture in the cockpit mirrors the culture of the country as a whole. Respect for your elders and superiors is more important than your own live. While it may work for the country as a whole, it isn't the best approach for flying an aircraft or running a nuclear power plant.
Just checked Asian's flight status for OZ 214 - they say it is still "flying"?
OZ 214 Jul 06. 16:30 - Jul 06. 16:35 Jul 06. 11:15 Jul 06. 11:17 - Flying
Just checked Asian's flight status for OZ 214 - they say it is still "flying"?
OZ 214 Jul 06. 16:30 - Jul 06. 16:35 Jul 06. 11:15 Jul 06. 11:17 - Flying
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They at least tweeted an hour ago...
https://twitter.com/asianaairlines/s...44403098787841
https://twitter.com/asianaairlines/s...44403098787841