Merpati MA-60 damaged in hard landing
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If you live in Indonesia any "incident" you walk away from (taxi, bus, boat, helicopter, cycle, scooter....) is just alarming
I think it has to be bodies all over the place to qualify as a"crash" - rather like the Nigerian "Dreadful Accident!"
I think it has to be bodies all over the place to qualify as a"crash" - rather like the Nigerian "Dreadful Accident!"
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Interesting article here reflecting on airworthiness of Chinese aircraft.
Chinese-made planes under scrutiny after incidents
Chinese-made planes under scrutiny after incidents
Most industry folks follow agreed definitions and "crash" is not one of them 
start with incident "minor" than "serious" and then "accident" and finally "catastrophe".
Most of the stuff clogging PPrune on something everyday is "minor" and not worthy of more than a post or two (easily available info in the trade although untrustworthy in the news)
Of more interest are the "serious" incidents where a significant loss of function has occurred affecting safe flight and landing. Where safe flight is not assured (let's not talk about heroes
Certainly worthy of a couple of pages on PPrune.
Then the catch all "accident" which captures serious injuries requiring hospitalization for time and/or extensive aircraft damage costing mucho $$
PPrune spends days discussing this stuff
and last
"Catastrophe" which includes loss of aircraft with multiple fatalities (pretty rare stuff) but worthy of months of discussion while awaiting a report.
OK I admit that the above is not official (although close to it) but kind of sums up our everyday banter on PPrune
start with incident "minor" than "serious" and then "accident" and finally "catastrophe".
Most of the stuff clogging PPrune on something everyday is "minor" and not worthy of more than a post or two (easily available info in the trade although untrustworthy in the news)
Of more interest are the "serious" incidents where a significant loss of function has occurred affecting safe flight and landing. Where safe flight is not assured (let's not talk about heroes
Certainly worthy of a couple of pages on PPrune.
Then the catch all "accident" which captures serious injuries requiring hospitalization for time and/or extensive aircraft damage costing mucho $$
PPrune spends days discussing this stuff
and last
"Catastrophe" which includes loss of aircraft with multiple fatalities (pretty rare stuff) but worthy of months of discussion while awaiting a report.
OK I admit that the above is not official (although close to it) but kind of sums up our everyday banter on PPrune
No need to look any further than ICAO Annex 13 for definitions:
Accident: An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, in which (a) a person is fatally or seriously injured as a result of being in the aircraft, or direct contact with any part of the aircraft, including parts which have become detached from the aircraft, or direct exposure to jet blast, except when the injuries are from natural causes, self inflicted or inflicted by other persons, or when the injuries are to stowaways hiding outside the areas normally available to the passengers and crew: or (b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component, except for engine failure or damage. when the damage is limited to the engine, its cowlings or accessories: or for damage limited to propellers, wing tips, antennas, tires, brakes, fairings, small dents or puncture holes in the aircraft skin: or (c) the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.
Serious Incident - An incident involving circumstances indicating that there was a high probability of an accident and associated with the operation of an aircraft which, in the case of a manned aircraft, takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, or in the case of an unmanned aircraft, takes place between the time the aircraft is ready to move with the purpose of flight until such time as it comes to rest at the end of the flight and the primary propulsion system is shut down.
Note 1.— The difference between an accident and a serious incident lies only in the result.
Incident - An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect the safety of operation.
Accident: An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, in which (a) a person is fatally or seriously injured as a result of being in the aircraft, or direct contact with any part of the aircraft, including parts which have become detached from the aircraft, or direct exposure to jet blast, except when the injuries are from natural causes, self inflicted or inflicted by other persons, or when the injuries are to stowaways hiding outside the areas normally available to the passengers and crew: or (b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component, except for engine failure or damage. when the damage is limited to the engine, its cowlings or accessories: or for damage limited to propellers, wing tips, antennas, tires, brakes, fairings, small dents or puncture holes in the aircraft skin: or (c) the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.
Serious Incident - An incident involving circumstances indicating that there was a high probability of an accident and associated with the operation of an aircraft which, in the case of a manned aircraft, takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, or in the case of an unmanned aircraft, takes place between the time the aircraft is ready to move with the purpose of flight until such time as it comes to rest at the end of the flight and the primary propulsion system is shut down.
Note 1.— The difference between an accident and a serious incident lies only in the result.
Incident - An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect the safety of operation.
''Note 1.— The difference between an accident and a serious incident lies only in the result.''
Well, that clears that up then.
A Merpati spokesman was quoted as saying "I don't think we will ne able to use the aircraft again". Really?
Well, that clears that up then.
A Merpati spokesman was quoted as saying "I don't think we will ne able to use the aircraft again". Really?
