Plane catches fire on landing at Moscow's Vnukovo Airport
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Plane catches fire on landing at Moscow's Vnukovo Airport
Plenty of people manhandling their luggage down the shutes...
BBC News - Plane catches fire on landing at Moscow's Vnukovo Airport
BBC News - Plane catches fire on landing at Moscow's Vnukovo Airport
Was it actually on the runway or is this journo speak for the taxiway and/or ramp?
BOAC, long as they've got their duty free!
Quite an orderly evacuation - they all seem quite nonplussed by the situation, maybe this is why:-
BOAC, long as they've got their duty free!
Quite an orderly evacuation - they all seem quite nonplussed by the situation, maybe this is why:-
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This should be used as a training video in ALL carriers.
Seriously - a free training for everyone involved with pax. And I am pax!
- Yes - they will open the overwing exits and walk out.
- Yes - they might slide off.
- Yes - they will take their baggage with them.
- Yes - they might do everything they are told not to do.
Seriously - a free training for everyone involved with pax. And I am pax!
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A mate ordered an evacuation on the apron at BNE (YBBN) some years ago, mid taxi for takeoff due to smoke/fumes in the cabin. There happened to be a CASA person or two amongst the pax. I believe the cabin crew were criticised on the spot because many of the pax arrived at the door and went down the slide with their briefcase/laptop/etc IN SPITE of the instructions.
I guess the cabin crew should have said "stop everything, put your luggage back in the locker, were not evacuating until you do. Even if we all burn to death"!
I guess the cabin crew should have said "stop everything, put your luggage back in the locker, were not evacuating until you do. Even if we all burn to death"!
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It's not quite reassuring to see how those people try to slide down while others are standing at the wingtip, eventually rescued by a ladder (while it seems that someone actually jumped down from the wing towards the nose as well and lying on ground next to the engine at 00:28). 
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I would have thought the last exits to use would be the overwings if there was an undercarriage fire. If there was a strong wind and the flames were fanned either side then there could have been problems.
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On the Vnukovo video it's interesting to note that apart from the instructive evacuation, the airport fire crew still seem to be trying to extinguish the fire with water alone by the time the wing is fully laden with pax wondering how to get off (ahh, if only they'd looked at the safety briefing card).*And is it just me or is there a nice leak from the hose?
The "nice leak fom the hose" is called a pressure relief valve and its doing its job to prevent the professional firefighter holding the branch from ending up in A&E due to anything overloading in his hands.
Secondly, water alone is an accepted practice when dealing with a wheel fire, because the fire is external and localised so the object is to keep the temperature down until the fire runs out of energy, minimising secondary damage to the a/c from firefighting media. However, if you actually watch the video you will see that the professional firefighters are using water plus foam. probably because of the slow evacuation of all the dozy people who "escaped" onto the wings.
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SemaphoreSam:
Its a brake fire caused by overbraking in high temps, fairly common occurance. The temps in Moscow have soared in the last week or so. Standard procedure is to evacuate though I'm not so sure this company's SOP includes using wing exits for evac with a wheelfire. I suspect this is Self Motivated Pax Syndrome as evidenced by the fact they all took their bags.
Its a brake fire caused by overbraking in high temps, fairly common occurance. The temps in Moscow have soared in the last week or so. Standard procedure is to evacuate though I'm not so sure this company's SOP includes using wing exits for evac with a wheelfire. I suspect this is Self Motivated Pax Syndrome as evidenced by the fact they all took their bags.
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Ambient temperatures for the wheel & self-unloading freight
I'm not sure that the temperature of the tarmac makes a huge difference to the chance of a fire. The wheel has soaked at -60C for a while, and then reaches X hundred C with the energy of half a 737 in it. In that context, whether it's -30C or +30C on the ground probably doesn't make a huge difference to the chance of a fire.
There are no flight attendants near those overwing exits on a 737. I'm certainly unclear myself about when and whether to open the exit as a passenger in those seats, beyond looking at the safety card symbols for not in water and not if you can see fire or sharp debris.
I once asked a Dash-8 flight attendant about what would happen if she wanted me to open the underwing exit, and got no clue at all from the failed conversation that ensued.
There are no flight attendants near those overwing exits on a 737. I'm certainly unclear myself about when and whether to open the exit as a passenger in those seats, beyond looking at the safety card symbols for not in water and not if you can see fire or sharp debris.
I once asked a Dash-8 flight attendant about what would happen if she wanted me to open the underwing exit, and got no clue at all from the failed conversation that ensued.
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Yes, I doubt a few dozen determined Russian's would care less what the cabin crew were saying, and I don't mean to single out our Russian cousins by putting it that way either, I'm sure many other crowds would act in the same way... "It's an emergency, here's the exit so I'm going through it... and I only bought hand baggage anyway so to hell with what they are saying my bag is coming with me"
As for the temps, not clear whether your reply was in response to mine or not, or just a separate observation - I agree with what you are saying regarding ground temp not being a factor. If that was in reply to my comment, I wasn't referring to ground temp either, I was referring to air temp - basic Perf (A) stuff, if the OAT is much ISA+LOTS your margin to braking overtemp is severely reduced, thus increasing likelihood of brake ignition. The same braking effort (or autobrake setting) a week earlier might not have been a problem.
As for the temps, not clear whether your reply was in response to mine or not, or just a separate observation - I agree with what you are saying regarding ground temp not being a factor. If that was in reply to my comment, I wasn't referring to ground temp either, I was referring to air temp - basic Perf (A) stuff, if the OAT is much ISA+LOTS your margin to braking overtemp is severely reduced, thus increasing likelihood of brake ignition. The same braking effort (or autobrake setting) a week earlier might not have been a problem.
If the wheel brakes are in good condition, even at the wear limit, Max braking on landing should not cause a fire regardless of OAT!
Stopping a 737 at max landing weight from say 130 kts. is a lot less energy than stopping from say 160 kts. at max T.O. weight when rejecting, and the brakes are designed to do this.
I suspect there was a fault with something.
Stopping a 737 at max landing weight from say 130 kts. is a lot less energy than stopping from say 160 kts. at max T.O. weight when rejecting, and the brakes are designed to do this.
I suspect there was a fault with something.
It is worthy of note that many passengers were apparently not sure what to do once they reached the wing.
Perhaps we are becoming too accustomed to the videos of passengers sliding down shoots?
Perhaps we are becoming too accustomed to the videos of passengers sliding down shoots?