Transavia captain locked out of cockpit while F/O asleep
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Why did he need their assistance in the first place ?
Must be something else in that story ...
Must be something else in that story ...
That would not be surprising at all.
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Safety 1st my @ss!
No worries though, the new EASA FTL's will soon nip all of this in the bud because in the future they will BOTH be asleep! 
At least the corrupt politicians will sleep well at night, knowing that they can always get a job in the airline management if their political career fails...
At least the corrupt politicians will sleep well at night, knowing that they can always get a job in the airline management if their political career fails...
Whats with the get at FE's if there had have been one on the flight deck two things.1 The copilot would not have been asleep 2. The Captain would not have had to resort to help to get him in.
Love em or hate em the FE was worth his weight in gold or maybe rations even.
Love em or hate em the FE was worth his weight in gold or maybe rations even.
What do flight engineers have to do with an incident where it is totally obvious that the captain forgot his emergency access code?
Transavia would never have had an engineer on the 737, nor would any airline in the last 50 years!
Transavia would never have had an engineer on the 737, nor would any airline in the last 50 years!
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This just in........do not believe everything you read in the press. Lately there seems to be a tendency for the press to overreact and make stuff up as they go along. A source within the Dutch safety board confirms that the F/O did fall asleep. The same source also stated quite clearly that the captain opened the door himself after using the emergency code. The crew reported this incident which to me seems to be the professional thing to do. To all of us, this should be a learning moment instead of a reason to make up fairytale stories about pilots "forgetting" emergency codes, and needing the cabin crew to open the door.
Superpilot, so your colleague could become incapacitated while you go to the loo and no one could ever open that door again? Or do you require an additional crew member in the flight deck?
What do flight engineers have to do with an incident where it is totally obvious that the captain forgot his emergency access code?
Transavia would never have had an engineer on the 737, nor would any airline in the last 50 years!
Transavia would never have had an engineer on the 737, nor would any airline in the last 50 years!
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SP - have you ever wondered what would happen if the captain collapsed while you were out of the cockpit or vice versa? It might be worth asking your company for their take on this. I am assuming, of course,that you have a locked door?
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A great advantage of CC in cockpit is that they can always fall back on "We will shortly be landing in Amsterdam. Will flight deck crew please return their seats to the upright position, wipe any drool from their chin, and open the door for the captain..."
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Centaurus, when you quote me, please also quote my smileys. My post was in reference to Fergineer's remark.
Superpilot, are you not slightly worried that you might never get access back into the flight deck if your colleague becomes incapacitated?
Superpilot, are you not slightly worried that you might never get access back into the flight deck if your colleague becomes incapacitated?
Superpilot, with all respect to your operation, to me that seems like an extremely serious deficiency in your SOP's. Are you operating under a UK AOC?
How can you not be aware of the normal entry key. Is there no operations manual for your cockpit door?
How can you not be aware of the normal entry key. Is there no operations manual for your cockpit door?
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the other guy pulling up the release knob in the normal way
...there is no Normal Entry code that we are aware of let alone an Emergency Code.
And no CC in the cockpit when a pilot goes to the lav to check his make-up before landing?
Joking aside, but has nobody learned from Helios, let alone from something like the Transavia incident which had potential serious consequences, leaving aside the basic incompetence of missing RT calls, TCAS, system malfunctions etc etc?