Ryanair claim upheld
So based on the number of flights they have undertaken in June / July and August there were 7 reported incidents on AV Herald which account for 1 every 22,000 flights.
There is a bizzarre Ryanair advert on Page 7 of today's i newspaper.
It is the standard blue and yellow affair with (one-way from) £18 in a big yellow disc.
Below is "RYANAIR" in big bold yellow letters.
Nothing unusual about that I hear you say.
Above that there are the phrases:
"Trains don't need 2 drivers! So why do planes?"
"If we cut 1 pilot fares will fall by up to £10"
and
"One pilot flights will save you money"
Quite what they are trying to achieve with that advert is totally beyond me!!!?
It is the standard blue and yellow affair with (one-way from) £18 in a big yellow disc.
Below is "RYANAIR" in big bold yellow letters.
Nothing unusual about that I hear you say.
Above that there are the phrases:
"Trains don't need 2 drivers! So why do planes?"
"If we cut 1 pilot fares will fall by up to £10"
and
"One pilot flights will save you money"
Quite what they are trying to achieve with that advert is totally beyond me!!!?
Regarding the single pilot claims, I agree it's just a pathetic attempt to generate publicity well beyond what the original advertisement costs. I find this type of "any publicity is good publicity" absolutely abhorrent, but just like attention seeking forum members, the best policy is simply to ignore it. There is absolutely no substance to their claims and their figures simply do not hold up to even basic scrutiny. Pathetic.
It's in a competely different category from the "no loos on board" or "pay to use them" larks that they have trailed before.
Trying to plant the seed in the minds of the travelling public that single-pilot commercial jet operations are even to be countenanced is disgraceful. If it rebounds and in any way affects the public perception of Ryanair's safety culture, then they will only have themselves to blame.
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I thought that ICAO regulations manadate that aircraft carrying more than just a few passengers commercially must have two pilots - regardless of what MoL says or does.
So it's just another not so cunnning stunt. Not just that that, but surely any sane person would rather pay an extra tenner to have the security of a second pilot, but then I suppose you have to be odd or desperate to fly Ryanair.
So it's just another not so cunnning stunt. Not just that that, but surely any sane person would rather pay an extra tenner to have the security of a second pilot, but then I suppose you have to be odd or desperate to fly Ryanair.
Whether or not it is a publicity stunt, it's certainly p**s poor leadership.
I have no objections to a CEO being a hard headed business person and/or earning a substantial income but I expect a CEO of a large Company to be some sort of a leader who can inspire his staff to follow him. (Compare MOL with, for example, Richard Branson or Steve Jobs - well, there is frankly no comparison).
The fact that he is the antithesis of a good leader is borne out by his disregard for the welfare of his staff (and his customers come to that) and the fact that many of his flight and cabin crew have left or are planning on doing so.
My prediction is that this social experiment of his will end in tears eventually. I don't know exactly how but I do know that dictators always fall - the question is whether any of his henchman on the Board will abandon ship before it happens.
I have no objections to a CEO being a hard headed business person and/or earning a substantial income but I expect a CEO of a large Company to be some sort of a leader who can inspire his staff to follow him. (Compare MOL with, for example, Richard Branson or Steve Jobs - well, there is frankly no comparison).
The fact that he is the antithesis of a good leader is borne out by his disregard for the welfare of his staff (and his customers come to that) and the fact that many of his flight and cabin crew have left or are planning on doing so.
My prediction is that this social experiment of his will end in tears eventually. I don't know exactly how but I do know that dictators always fall - the question is whether any of his henchman on the Board will abandon ship before it happens.
I thought that ICAO regulations manadate that aircraft carrying more than just a few passengers commercially must have two pilots - regardless of what MoL says or does.
Talking with a network rail friend at the weekend I was surprised to learn that its Satellites that control the door opening on trains with driver having an override facility only. Drivers do less and less in the cab and he is suggesting in 15 years there is likely to be no driver what so ever.
The public believe you need a pilot but then again they probably felt 40 years ago that you need a FE as well.
It will be within a couple of years when an airline will have a flight between 2 major cities where apart from shutting the doors the human intervention will only begin when reopening them.
Its not whether we want it or not its when it will happen.
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Maybe. . . . although I doubt it, and anyone with even the faintest ideas of the variables thrown at you by nature/technology wouldn't dream of getting in the back. . . .but then again, a brain is not a prerequisite to ticket purchase (just a tick in the box & a CC number) so. . . 
In the meantime, that is then, this is now, and "Yer Man" is (yet again) making a tw@t of himself.
He was (?) a good businessman (for the shareholders at least) although he has always been a bit of a 1 trick pony, now, it is difficult to see him as anything other than a largely irrelevant embarassment to his staff, & aviation in general.
Way past his "sell by date".
In the meantime, that is then, this is now, and "Yer Man" is (yet again) making a tw@t of himself.
He was (?) a good businessman (for the shareholders at least) although he has always been a bit of a 1 trick pony, now, it is difficult to see him as anything other than a largely irrelevant embarassment to his staff, & aviation in general.
Way past his "sell by date".
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Quite what they are trying to achieve with that advert is totally beyond me!!!? 
Until then, probably around the time Ryanair are offering low fares to the moon. It's all hot air.
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my 2 cents
Ryanair goes to great lengths to be not only legal, but 110% legal... That is not the issue.
Ryanair has very strict procedures in place to ensure compliance with their procedures and EU-ops.
These are 2 points that are very much beyond reproach...
However that does not change the fact that something is rotten in the state of the big Irish machine...
There are also quite a few interesting episodes in FR, Which are not publicly known- most of which can be simply be put down to crew "error"... pod scrape, shutting down a good engine, and many other gems.
(please remember that AVherald is not the full truth- and should never be regarded as such)
Here are a few questions that really should be asked:
Has the pressure on the training department to produce new 2700 hrs wonder captains finally become too great?
(further info: Most Direct entry captains dont pass the interview, sim test, or then the sim or line training)
How does the annual leave system in FR affect things,,, people who have not had a vacation with their family in 1 1/2 years affect their crews.
A large portion of their pilots do not live at their base- and subsequently comute. These pilots then have to arrange their family lives in just 2 days a week- do they get propper rest when at home?
The continuing decrease in Terms and Conditions at FR leads to crews not prioritizing the job as much, as the pilot profession requires.- That is when "pilot error" start showing up.
Somehow it has become acceptable at airline management level to look at pilots as machines, - that can be dispatched to any of 40+ bases with a weeks notice- and then not expecting any consequences. START BY LOOKING AT THIS FIRST
Ryanair goes to great lengths to be not only legal, but 110% legal... That is not the issue.
Ryanair has very strict procedures in place to ensure compliance with their procedures and EU-ops.
These are 2 points that are very much beyond reproach...
However that does not change the fact that something is rotten in the state of the big Irish machine...
There are also quite a few interesting episodes in FR, Which are not publicly known- most of which can be simply be put down to crew "error"... pod scrape, shutting down a good engine, and many other gems.
(please remember that AVherald is not the full truth- and should never be regarded as such)
Here are a few questions that really should be asked:
Has the pressure on the training department to produce new 2700 hrs wonder captains finally become too great?
(further info: Most Direct entry captains dont pass the interview, sim test, or then the sim or line training)
How does the annual leave system in FR affect things,,, people who have not had a vacation with their family in 1 1/2 years affect their crews.
A large portion of their pilots do not live at their base- and subsequently comute. These pilots then have to arrange their family lives in just 2 days a week- do they get propper rest when at home?
The continuing decrease in Terms and Conditions at FR leads to crews not prioritizing the job as much, as the pilot profession requires.- That is when "pilot error" start showing up.
Somehow it has become acceptable at airline management level to look at pilots as machines, - that can be dispatched to any of 40+ bases with a weeks notice- and then not expecting any consequences. START BY LOOKING AT THIS FIRST
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Even if we ignore the scandalous aspect of the advert the claim that saving one pilot will save £10 per passenger is nonsense.
If the average ryanair sector is 2 hrs and the average pilot flies 450 sectors in a year and the plane is 85% full, then the average pilot will fly
450 sectors x 189 seats x 85% load factor = 72,292 passengers in a year.
The assertion that by losing a pilot, fares will drop by £10 would suggest that each pilot costs the company £722,920 per year. What utter rubbish!!!
If the average ryanair sector is 2 hrs and the average pilot flies 450 sectors in a year and the plane is 85% full, then the average pilot will fly
450 sectors x 189 seats x 85% load factor = 72,292 passengers in a year.
The assertion that by losing a pilot, fares will drop by £10 would suggest that each pilot costs the company £722,920 per year. What utter rubbish!!!
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In the meantime, that is then, this is now, and "Yer Man" is (yet again) making a tw@t of himself.
looking at this forums his tactics reach its goal : everybody talks about this airline. and not few from here will buy a ticket because of attractive prices for next holiday.
fact is that he seems to keep the airline at a benefit level in difficult times, fact is that not a single aircraft ran out of fuel until now, fact is that nobody has proven that he operates illegally to further reduce costs.
cheers
http://www.ryanair.com/doc/news/2012/open_letter2.pdf
http://www.ryanair.com/doc/news/2012/fomento.pdf
It appears Spanish Govt is getting caught out again making statements which are false and expecting nobody to question them.
Ryanair now offering full access to whatever they require and lets see how Spanish Govt and their various arms respond.
http://www.ryanair.com/doc/news/2012/fomento.pdf
It appears Spanish Govt is getting caught out again making statements which are false and expecting nobody to question them.
Ryanair now offering full access to whatever they require and lets see how Spanish Govt and their various arms respond.
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Everybody knows what O´Leary´s letters mean.
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
Pastor suma apoyos en Alemania para una respuesta conjunta a Ryanair | Economa | elmundo.es
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
Pastor suma apoyos en Alemania para una respuesta conjunta a Ryanair | Economa | elmundo.es
Ryanair now offering full access to whatever they require and lets see how Spanish Govt and their various arms respond.
Regardless of what Ryanair may or may not have been guilty of, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of seizing the moral high ground and making the Spanish authorities look very shifty indeed.
Everybody knows what O´Leary´s letters mean.
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
As for the Germans listening to what the Spanish say....................right €40 Billion suggests otherwise as let face it Spain is being propped up by German taxpayers.