CRM in BA
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CRM in BA
I went down to my local pub at lunchtime today as is my wont. The landlord lays out all of the Sunday newspapers and I ended up with one of the more less intellectual.
What got my attention was a story about two BA pilots having a punch-up in a pub in Rio; apparently over who did a
landing.
The article went on to tell the world about a BA pilot beating out of a BA steward in Hong Kong.
The article ended up by stating that BA had suspended two pilots.
Can anyone tell me if BA actually do indeed conduct CRM training and also do they take the trouble to point out to crews that CRM exists after you have got out of the flight deck? Apart from anything else, you still have to get home.
Can you just imagine flying back from Rio with a fellow pilot who beat out of you in the pub last night?
From my point of interest, it would be interesting to know whether the two pilots suspended were captains or first officers.
What got my attention was a story about two BA pilots having a punch-up in a pub in Rio; apparently over who did a
landing.The article went on to tell the world about a BA pilot beating
out of a BA steward in Hong Kong.The article ended up by stating that BA had suspended two pilots.
Can anyone tell me if BA actually do indeed conduct CRM training and also do they take the trouble to point out to crews that CRM exists after you have got out of the flight deck? Apart from anything else, you still have to get home.
Can you just imagine flying back from Rio with a fellow pilot who beat
out of you in the pub last night?From my point of interest, it would be interesting to know whether the two pilots suspended were captains or first officers.
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The type of paper that carries such stories is hardly a paragon of reliability, it probably didn't happen at all. In any case, one alleged incident is hardly an excuse to question the CRM credentials of the entire pilot body of a very large airline.
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Sounds like the usual BASSAmentalists have been bleating exaggerated stories to the press again. Not even close to accurate in the stories and I doubt anyone is going to give you any further details.
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Having witnessed a CRM masterclass over the radio between two sets of Nigels yesterday, nothing would surprise me!
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Well, I remember earlier this year a science fict.. sorry, TV drama on the American ABC network called "Pan Am" where the FO punches the Captain in the face because the latter was promoted first, although he had no seniority. And then, they fly the return leg together!
Anyway, a lot of stuff has always occured on the road with an international airline. However, a drunken fistfight nowdays will get the scrutiny of the HIMS committee and the company will be forced to document things to avoid future liability.
I'm aware of another recent incident where the two pilot combatants later conspired to cover things up to avoid the fallout. A couple of decades ago you'd get a talk with the chief pilot if he found out about it at all. In this PC time of social media and instant communication, things can suddenly take a life of their own with even a minor altercation.
Sounds like the usual BASSAmentalists have been bleating exaggerated stories to the press again
In other words some members of one part of BA's "community" may still looking to settle scores over recent events.
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BA - dreadful outfit! They took exception to Laker cherrypicking their highly profitable routes (but not the lossmakers) and stood up to him.
Guess who JW411 worked for at the time?
Sorry, JW, but all's fair etc
Never had a punchup in any airline, only one in the RAF and one, IIRC, in the Merch. The temptation arose but it's pretty silly to succumb and damage not just one's skin but, more importantly, one's career.
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Sorry, JW, but all's fair etc
Never had a punchup in any airline, only one in the RAF and one, IIRC, in the Merch. The temptation arose but it's pretty silly to succumb and damage not just one's skin but, more importantly, one's career.
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When I worked for BOAC, I remember reading somewhere in staff regs that one of the (very few) surefire ways of getting instant dismissal was: "Brawling."
Another one was: "Drawing a cheque on company funds which was subsequently rejected."
Another one was: "Drawing a cheque on company funds which was subsequently rejected."
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A view from the outside
I know a lot of people inside BA and almost all are reasonable people who just want a trouble free day at work and then there is the BASSA hard core, a more vindictive, petty and unethical bunch of people I have yet to meet.
As soon as I see this sort of thing in the press I look for BASSA's fingerprints.
As soon as I see this sort of thing in the press I look for BASSA's fingerprints.
Sorry chaps, Retired (now 65) so losing touch. What on earth is BASSA ?
Wannabee 024, I guess I must be "approaching 72" but appear , only, well rounded. Leave JW alone. Laker was a splendid Company ( I did a year on the 1-11). Last, what is it with the DM. I have read the paper since 1965 (mainly because the daily Astrology readings were clearly meant for me, personally. However, these days, it seems to have gone horribly downhill. Dumbing down in the world of journalism as bad as within other Industries I suspect.
Wannabee 024, I guess I must be "approaching 72" but appear , only, well rounded. Leave JW alone. Laker was a splendid Company ( I did a year on the 1-11). Last, what is it with the DM. I have read the paper since 1965 (mainly because the daily Astrology readings were clearly meant for me, personally. However, these days, it seems to have gone horribly downhill. Dumbing down in the world of journalism as bad as within other Industries I suspect.
Gordo
Brief explanation here:
British Airlines Stewards and Stewardesses Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What on earth is BASSA ?
British Airlines Stewards and Stewardesses Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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