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Old 27th Jul 2012, 20:06
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So the Brits make their runways out of tarred Macadam? Hope they're not flying anything heavier than Apaches and 310s.

Frankly, the only people I know who call it "tarmac" are TV talking heads, nonpilot travel writers and every newspaper reporter in the world.
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Old 28th Jul 2012, 05:03
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How about "pavement"?

Sun didn't look to me to be an issue; just before landing, it's at 2 O'clock on the cabin video.
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Old 28th Jul 2012, 05:28
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Frankly, the only people I know who call it "tarmac" are TV talking heads, nonpilot travel writers and every newspaper reporter in the world.
I am none of the above yet I am perfectly happy with the term "tarmac".

What's more, I will continue to use the term as I see fit.

Moron ( Now thats a term I like)

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Old 28th Jul 2012, 13:37
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Someday you should read the forum rules. "No personal attacks..." is one of them.
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Is this real?

I don't understand: The video from within the cabin, and the video from the observation deck at the airport, both make it look as if it were the LEFT wing that struck the ground.

Yet the animation, and the photos of the damage, are of the right wing.

Are we looking at pictures from two separate incidents?
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 07:51
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...another case of pilots behind the wheel with marginal hand-flying skills.
Aha. Good to know. Hope you called the Chilenian Authorities to let them know the result of the investigation. Will safe them a lot of effort...
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 07:52
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don't understand: The video from within the cabin....make it look as if it were the LEFT wing that struck the ground.
Moment of wing touch is at approximately time 2:16-2:21 in the first video (the link, not the posted news version) - pax window on right side of plane is full of runway, showing the plane is tilted right wing down. Very final frames of same video pan right to show bent right wingtip.

Sun didn't look to me to be an issue; just before landing, it's at 2 O'clock on the cabin video
If you watch the early parts of the full video (linked, not posted), where the passenger/camera is looking into the sun, the sun is making the mist blindingly white (and burning out the video itself in spots) - see time 1:10 and 1:50. Just before landing, after ~70° turn for line-up, that's what would have filled the windscreen.

Just to be clear, my reading of that video is that the pilot was not on a stabilized straight-in approach, but in a continuous right bank/turn from ~1000' alt. all the way to the threshold, with a couple of moments of wings-level. The whole last minute before the runway appears (1:20-2:13 on the tape).
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 14:46
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Looks clear that was a pilot error but the question is: if was an unstable approach or just mist on final, why they didn't comeback for another approach instead of to divert to another airport? Just wait for a runway inspection and try again, much easy and safer than flying away with a damage on a wingtip! That's my opinion.
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 22:04
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Re Glueball's comment "...another case of pilots behind the wheel with marginal hand-flying skills." The PF is over 50 with 25,000+ hrs, not likely to have accumulated that much time in Chile without most of it being hand-flying.

There's a clip on YouTube overlaying the view from the passenger video with a Google Earth image and showing the approximate angle at which the aircraft approached.


In the second clip, filmed by someone in the spectators' balcony, the horror at what they were seeing is very apparent. The very quick little "click" as the wing touched the ground certainly swung the aircraft around swiftly to starboard. Perhaps fortunate it was concrete it touched and not soft earth.

With mist rolling in, the sun in their faces (not just through the mist but reflecting off small bodies of water), not to mention having just scared themselves silly, no surprise that they went to a clearer alternate.

One thing noted in the passenger video was that the starboard leading edge slats did not retract entirely, at least by the end of the video. Jammed as a result of that wing's contact or just brought halfway up by choice?
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Old 1st Aug 2012, 07:43
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F Y I...

English pilots will call it TARMAC And the French call it the PISTE B T W
You mean to say that there are actually other countries outside of the good ol' USA? But they do all speak English, right? I mean, American English? No? Please say it aint'so, pardner!

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