Latest Airbus offer to easyJet
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Latest Airbus offer to easyJet
Latest rumour, about the ongoing race to be easyJet's supplier of their next 75 A/C.
Heard that Airbus have offered to exchange EZY's 737-700 fleet with A319's. The exchange would include the remaining aircraft still to be delivered by Boeing.
Obviously, this exchange is dependant on EZY buying lots of shiny new A319's as well. It is Airbus's answer to ensure fleet commonality.
How does that make the Boeing die hards at EZY feel?
Airbus must be desperate to win this order!
Does anyone know any more about this?
My source reckons EZY will announce their decision in the next two weeks.
Heard that Airbus have offered to exchange EZY's 737-700 fleet with A319's. The exchange would include the remaining aircraft still to be delivered by Boeing.
Obviously, this exchange is dependant on EZY buying lots of shiny new A319's as well. It is Airbus's answer to ensure fleet commonality.
How does that make the Boeing die hards at EZY feel?
Airbus must be desperate to win this order!
Does anyone know any more about this?
My source reckons EZY will announce their decision in the next two weeks.
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Hadn't heard that one, but doesn't altogether surprise me. Airbus really want this order.....all the European low-cost 737 operators know easyJet have carried out a good, thorough study of the two options, and if easy come down in favour of more 737's it will probably close the door for other similar operators wanting to talk to Airbus for a few years.
If on the other hand Airbus win the order, other operators may obviously be more open to start doing their own assessment of a different aircraft type rather than continue to accept the 737 as the 'staple diet' of low-cost operations.
Airbus know this is very much make-or-break.
If on the other hand Airbus win the order, other operators may obviously be more open to start doing their own assessment of a different aircraft type rather than continue to accept the 737 as the 'staple diet' of low-cost operations.
Airbus know this is very much make-or-break.
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Airbus must be desperate to get one of the low fare airlines now that Ryanair used them to frighten Boeing into what O'Leary has called a deal that raped Boeing. It has to mean Easy are in the driving seat on this one with Airbus.
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Well, Boeing did the same thing with Singapore and are now sitting with 9(?) A340-300's they need to get rid of. Swiss reportedly was close to taking them, but chose new aircrafts. Which indicates that Airbus is pricing their aircrafts quite aggressively right now.
Airbus wants in on the European no-frill market - it's no surprise to me that they attempt such an exchange deal.
But what will Airbus do with the 737's they get from EZY? Swap them with Boeing's A340's???
Airbus wants in on the European no-frill market - it's no surprise to me that they attempt such an exchange deal.
But what will Airbus do with the 737's they get from EZY? Swap them with Boeing's A340's???
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" Ryanair used them to frighten Boeing into what O'Leary has called a deal that raped Boeing. It has to mean Easy are in the driving seat on this one with Airbus."
Most rapists have the decency not to boast about it!!!
Most rapists have the decency not to boast about it!!!
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GO are evaluating both types too, so who knows, there could be a big swing in the Airbus direction if the price is right! Ryanair could have 733's coming out there ears!
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I guess Knold means 'subsidy'.
Does he know that the Boeing entity is kept afloat by the money it receives from the US gov't for military research and hardware? If the accounts were done seperately and published as such the commercil A/C division would probably be seen to have not made a profit for twenty years.
So don't talk to us about subsidies!
I hope GO do take the A320/319 route, then Easy and Ryan will have another 30 737's to scrap over!!
And welcome to them.
Does he know that the Boeing entity is kept afloat by the money it receives from the US gov't for military research and hardware? If the accounts were done seperately and published as such the commercil A/C division would probably be seen to have not made a profit for twenty years.
So don't talk to us about subsidies!
I hope GO do take the A320/319 route, then Easy and Ryan will have another 30 737's to scrap over!!
And welcome to them.
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ANTI BOEING AND AIRBUS - I DON'T THINK SO - BUT WHO STARTED THIS ? BOEING HAS LIVED WITH HIDDEN SUBSIDIES FOR YEARS. IT WAS THE U.S. WHICH STARTED THE "WE WANT FAIR COMPETION - BUT NOT IN OUR OWN BACK YARD". IT IS RIFE IN EVERY ASPECT OF AVIATION - AND OTHER FIELDS. 
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DEFENDING BBC ?!?!
BY THE WAY JETSTAR - AND IT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN TO DEFEND THE BBC - BUT AT LEAST THEY REPORT WORLD NEWS - MOST OF YOUR COUNTRYMEN DON'T EVEN KNOW THERE IS A WORLD OUTSIDE YOUR BORDERS !
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How do you figure that Boeing gets more Military than Airbus? The Airbus partners have more than twice the govenment military procure dollars spent there!
So I will concede that Boeing gets military dollars, but only half as much as Airbus gets, or has everyone forgotten about the Typhoon, Rafeal, A400, Arianne, etc... Talk about a blind eye!
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So I will concede that Boeing gets military dollars, but only half as much as Airbus gets, or has everyone forgotten about the Typhoon, Rafeal, A400, Arianne, etc... Talk about a blind eye!
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rubik101 Sorry for the bad spelling...
Whalerider Either you've got a really bad attitude or you've forgot to turn off the CAPS LOCK. Do something about whichever it is!
I think Wino has a good point.
Whalerider Either you've got a really bad attitude or you've forgot to turn off the CAPS LOCK. Do something about whichever it is!
I think Wino has a good point.
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Competition is a funny thing:
How much European Hardware is there in the US Airforce and how much the other way around...
Airbus was always the laughing stock for the Seattle err Chicago plane people. But as soon as they became bigger they started about subsidies etc...
They want an open skies in Europe but do not allow flights within the states, they do want wetleases all over Europe but not within their own countries..
And talking about metal... they close an open market (steel) because they are losing because they are too expensive...
Yep great countrie for competition the US is..
Back to the topic.. Difficult choice: an aircraft based on an airframe designed for the 707 with some new avionics (bit like a VW beetle of 1955 with a new dashboard ) or an aircraft designed from top to bottom with the latest technology available at that time.. (and even that was few years ago..)
Go for the 319 and give the 737-700 to another start up to create more jobs I would suggest :o
How much European Hardware is there in the US Airforce and how much the other way around...
Airbus was always the laughing stock for the Seattle err Chicago plane people. But as soon as they became bigger they started about subsidies etc...
They want an open skies in Europe but do not allow flights within the states, they do want wetleases all over Europe but not within their own countries..
And talking about metal... they close an open market (steel) because they are losing because they are too expensive...
Yep great countrie for competition the US is..
Back to the topic.. Difficult choice: an aircraft based on an airframe designed for the 707 with some new avionics (bit like a VW beetle of 1955 with a new dashboard
) or an aircraft designed from top to bottom with the latest technology available at that time.. (and even that was few years ago..)Go for the 319 and give the 737-700 to another start up to create more jobs I would suggest :o
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Leased Boeing 767 Air Refuelling Tankers for the U.S.A.F. Who will want them when the leases are up - nice little stunt subsidy there from the Washington politicians for Boeing. The wheeling & dealing cuts both ways - nothing new.
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And while we went us bassing:
US State Dpt bristles at EC's 'airline subsidy' charge
Karen Walker, Washington DC (03Apr02, 21:42 GMT, 367 words)
European threats to take action against US airlines because they have received government financial support since the 11 September attacks “send a bad signal”, says a US State Department official.
The European Commission (EC) has said it plans to pursue litigation that would allow it to impose fines on airlines from non European Union (EU) countries it believes are carrying out unfair practices stemming from government support.
Although bankrupt Swissair, which has been able to re-launch as Swiss partly because of Swiss government aid, has been highlighted as a possible target because Switzerland is not an EU member, the chief aim of the legislation is believed to be US airlines that compete in the transatlantic market.
Congress last year granted US airlines $5 billion in cash compensation following the 11 September terrorist attacks because the FAA grounded all US operations for four days immediately after the attacks. Federal-backed loan guarantees of up to $10 billion are also available to US airlines struggling to recover from the impact of the attacks.
The move by the EC to possibly penalize airlines that have benefited from those funds has shocked US government and industry officials and drawn protests from the US Air Transport Association (ATA).
Speaking last week at the American Bar Association’s air and space law forum in Washington DC, US State Department deputy assistant secretary for transportation affairs John Byerly said: “We think it’s a bad idea. It sends a bad signal. We take the view that what America did was to protect itself after an extraordinary set of events. If we are not careful, we will be getting into a nasty debate, which we don’t need right now, into alleged subsidies.”
In particular, Byerly criticizes EC transport commissioner Loyola de Palacio for making what he describes as “unhelpful comments” about this issue being a “useful bargaining chip” against the USA.
Says Byerly: “We just don’t like this and it won’t help relations between the USA and the EU to become closer.”
Virgin Atlantic Airways general manager, legal, Hugh Ford, defended the EC’s stance. “We do see an impact because it’s a benefit being granted to people with whom we compete. It has an effect internationally,” he said.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
US State Dpt bristles at EC's 'airline subsidy' charge
Karen Walker, Washington DC (03Apr02, 21:42 GMT, 367 words)
European threats to take action against US airlines because they have received government financial support since the 11 September attacks “send a bad signal”, says a US State Department official.
The European Commission (EC) has said it plans to pursue litigation that would allow it to impose fines on airlines from non European Union (EU) countries it believes are carrying out unfair practices stemming from government support.
Although bankrupt Swissair, which has been able to re-launch as Swiss partly because of Swiss government aid, has been highlighted as a possible target because Switzerland is not an EU member, the chief aim of the legislation is believed to be US airlines that compete in the transatlantic market.
Congress last year granted US airlines $5 billion in cash compensation following the 11 September terrorist attacks because the FAA grounded all US operations for four days immediately after the attacks. Federal-backed loan guarantees of up to $10 billion are also available to US airlines struggling to recover from the impact of the attacks.
The move by the EC to possibly penalize airlines that have benefited from those funds has shocked US government and industry officials and drawn protests from the US Air Transport Association (ATA).
Speaking last week at the American Bar Association’s air and space law forum in Washington DC, US State Department deputy assistant secretary for transportation affairs John Byerly said: “We think it’s a bad idea. It sends a bad signal. We take the view that what America did was to protect itself after an extraordinary set of events. If we are not careful, we will be getting into a nasty debate, which we don’t need right now, into alleged subsidies.”
In particular, Byerly criticizes EC transport commissioner Loyola de Palacio for making what he describes as “unhelpful comments” about this issue being a “useful bargaining chip” against the USA.
Says Byerly: “We just don’t like this and it won’t help relations between the USA and the EU to become closer.”
Virgin Atlantic Airways general manager, legal, Hugh Ford, defended the EC’s stance. “We do see an impact because it’s a benefit being granted to people with whom we compete. It has an effect internationally,” he said.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
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Simple answer from a consumer
As a simple passenger I have only one thing to say about all this.
If it ain't boeing, I ain't going.
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Alex R.
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If it ain't boeing, I ain't going.
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