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Sincerely hope the Canadian authorities are able to get to the bottom of this bomb threat, and get their hands on whomever initiated it. 
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Korean Air flight resumes journey after bomb threat | CTV News
Korean Air flight resumes journey after bomb threat
Korean Air flight resumes journey after bomb threat
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Re Slasher's 7 April post with the Korean Air video:
Interesting account, though one wonders if the improvements mentioned are actually in effect. "Flight International" years ago published a report of studies done regarding Asian crewmembers and Western crewmembers in several combinations- Western captain, Asian F/O, and the reverse, all Asian and all Western crews. It mentioned the cultural differences (particularly deference to senior/older captains by junior/younger Asian F/Os) as possible sources for concern.
This video is all reminiscent of that, which was published decades ago, if memory serves.
We still some of the military attitudes in US cockpits, but not to any real degree.
I have a friend, an experienced international captain and now a TRI/TRE, who has been lectured by a green co-pilot who graduated from Embry Riddle Aeronautical University. I flew with an F/O who was the same way, believing he was much better prepared than mere pilots. My friend bristled at the young man's attitude.
"Why, lighten up," I advised him. "You might learn something. Don't you know Embry Riddle graduates know absolutely everything?"
It would be interesting to see how US contractors- mostly ex-US military, I presume, are training Afghan Air Force pilots on some 200 Mil-8 helicopters the US has ordered for them. I saw one video where an Afghan pilot complained he and his compatriots had flown them for years, and had much more experience in type and in country than the highly paid US instructors, who were imposing US military procedures on them, would ever have.
Anybody placing bets on the Afghan Air Force ever becoming an effective organization? I think all they have now is a few C-27s and Cessna Caravans.
Seems like a huge waste of millions (if not billions) of dollars. At least the Brits seem to be wising up a little faster.
Interesting account, though one wonders if the improvements mentioned are actually in effect. "Flight International" years ago published a report of studies done regarding Asian crewmembers and Western crewmembers in several combinations- Western captain, Asian F/O, and the reverse, all Asian and all Western crews. It mentioned the cultural differences (particularly deference to senior/older captains by junior/younger Asian F/Os) as possible sources for concern.
This video is all reminiscent of that, which was published decades ago, if memory serves.
We still some of the military attitudes in US cockpits, but not to any real degree.
I have a friend, an experienced international captain and now a TRI/TRE, who has been lectured by a green co-pilot who graduated from Embry Riddle Aeronautical University. I flew with an F/O who was the same way, believing he was much better prepared than mere pilots. My friend bristled at the young man's attitude.
"Why, lighten up," I advised him. "You might learn something. Don't you know Embry Riddle graduates know absolutely everything?"
It would be interesting to see how US contractors- mostly ex-US military, I presume, are training Afghan Air Force pilots on some 200 Mil-8 helicopters the US has ordered for them. I saw one video where an Afghan pilot complained he and his compatriots had flown them for years, and had much more experience in type and in country than the highly paid US instructors, who were imposing US military procedures on them, would ever have.
Anybody placing bets on the Afghan Air Force ever becoming an effective organization? I think all they have now is a few C-27s and Cessna Caravans.
Seems like a huge waste of millions (if not billions) of dollars. At least the Brits seem to be wising up a little faster.
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At least the Brits seem to be wising up a little faster.
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Quote:- "We have to ban politicians from the playing fields of Eton and north of our (English) border...it's the only answer!"
So that would make John Prestcott an ideal candidate?
I think we need to be even more circumspect.
I do agree with your comments, though.
Quote:- "We have to ban politicians from the playing fields of Eton and north of our (English) border...it's the only answer!"
So that would make John Prestcott an ideal candidate?
I think we need to be even more circumspect.
I do agree with your comments, though.
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Ancient Cultures collide with modern thinking.
Ashleigh Merritt's PhD thesis is spot on. Should be required reading for all professional pilots. Not sure if it comes in Korean. Perhaps it should?
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expats(riff-raff) on the aircraft it would have been a total
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I remember only a few Controllers in Korea who where capable to think lateral and could assist the flow. Mainly it is old style driven: I tell, you fly. Authority, not service. Except a few individuals, English also only limited.
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Slightly off topic, but why would an airliner with a bomb threat be escorted by two figher jets? There is absolutely nothing they can do other than witness it going down if there really was a bomb.
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1- assist with locating wreckage immediately and possible coordination of rescue of survivors.
2- if there is one terrorist threat, there is more likely to be a further one, possibly even a terrorist on board. Therefore the behaviour of the aeroplane must be monitored to ensure any further threat is minimised.
Now back to the subject......
2- if there is one terrorist threat, there is more likely to be a further one, possibly even a terrorist on board. Therefore the behaviour of the aeroplane must be monitored to ensure any further threat is minimised.
Now back to the subject......
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''Slightly off topic, but why would an airliner with a bomb threat be escorted by two figher jets? There is absolutely nothing they can do other than witness it going down if there really was a bomb.''
They could try to reduce the size of the pieces after the bomb explodes
(which would mean increasing their number of course!).
They could try to reduce the size of the pieces after the bomb explodes
(which would mean increasing their number of course!).
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''Slightly off topic, but why would an airliner with a bomb threat be escorted by two figher jets? There is absolutely nothing they can do other than witness it going down if there really was a bomb.''
They could try to reduce the size of the pieces after the bomb explodes
(which would mean increasing their number of course!).
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''Slightly off topic, but why would an airliner with a bomb threat be escorted by two figher jets? There is absolutely nothing they can do other than witness it going down if there really was a bomb.''
They could try to reduce the size of the pieces after the bomb explodes
(which would mean increasing their number of course!).
In the minds of NORAD tactical planners, if there was indeed a bomb onboard and if the airplane was directed by it's occupants to a populated area or vital strategic location, then there would be need to forcibly steer it away or shoot it down!
I recently saw a video about the Stansted 747 crash and it was stated the senior Korean military pilots automatically become captains when they join Korean Airlines because of their rank - too much loss of face if they join as an FO.
Say it aint so!
Say it aint so!
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An acquaintance who has been at KAL for 15 years was telling me in the briefing area he noticed a KAL captain bowing and scraping to an F/O. He later found out the F/O had been a squadron commander in the korean air farce and the captain had been his "junior". They still carry their rank to a certain degree. My question would be what happens if these two pilots are in the same cockpit? Who is in command? My bet would be the "junior" is in command only on paper. In both the Guam and Stansted accidents these military guys had just a few years with KAL and were captains because of their prior positions. Don't tell me it doesn't happen. That was a point brought up in the Delta report done many years ago. This ain't the same report that is on the internet from the Kiwi.
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Bad tidings in KAL?
Heard from a former colleague whose contract is due for renewal...his agency indicated that no more contract renewalsfor b744 guys. 2/3 of the cargo fleet is idle. To him it is a blessing in disguise, inertia had kept him in KAL for too long. So he is getting a baby bus rating to join some outfit in Red China paying more than what he gets in KAL!
According to him things got really bad in KAL after 2007; a lot of good things gone...the first class dead heading privilege taken away, no more accumulation of backlog leave, more stringent conditions for privilege travel, no increase in per diem despite the surging inflation, closure of the dispatch office at the terminal with crew now having to shuttling up and down to a remote crew operations centre, computer self briefing adding time and inconvenience during the preflight process, 200 questions in self study questionaire prior to line checks, ridiculous sim training syllabus,
the managing senior vice president of flight operations coming out with ridiculous directives curtailing crew activities at layovers, the need to address cabin crew as " sirs " and " madams ". Apparently the managing SVP flt ops is **** scared of the cabin crew boss who is the KAL chairman's daughter!
Also,flight crew recruitment has scraped the bottom of the barrel with only people holding dubious credentials flooding in creating a general debasement of foreign crew quality. These questionable characters add to foreign crew woes as they abuse the privileges leading to everyone suffering from greater scrutiny besides losing some of the privileges. So not a very good picture...............
According to him things got really bad in KAL after 2007; a lot of good things gone...the first class dead heading privilege taken away, no more accumulation of backlog leave, more stringent conditions for privilege travel, no increase in per diem despite the surging inflation, closure of the dispatch office at the terminal with crew now having to shuttling up and down to a remote crew operations centre, computer self briefing adding time and inconvenience during the preflight process, 200 questions in self study questionaire prior to line checks, ridiculous sim training syllabus,
the managing senior vice president of flight operations coming out with ridiculous directives curtailing crew activities at layovers, the need to address cabin crew as " sirs " and " madams ". Apparently the managing SVP flt ops is **** scared of the cabin crew boss who is the KAL chairman's daughter!
Also,flight crew recruitment has scraped the bottom of the barrel with only people holding dubious credentials flooding in creating a general debasement of foreign crew quality. These questionable characters add to foreign crew woes as they abuse the privileges leading to everyone suffering from greater scrutiny besides losing some of the privileges. So not a very good picture...............
India Four Two...absolute hogwash.
Keyline...unfortunately what you wrote is correct.
Keyline...unfortunately what you wrote is correct.
I'm confused by your responses to me and to Keylime. If I changed my post to read "quickly" instead of "automatically", would my question then be in line with Keylime's post?