Manx2 incident Ronaldsway. Gear collapse?
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When ac landed it went over very slowly and only after breaking my guess (and only a guess) the landing gear could have had a small fracture and when brakes were applied, caused the gear to fold under slowly as the fracture enlarged.
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"No one injured...."
Actually, there were some, well, at least one, slight injury. Young man hit his head on the pax in the seat in front, had to have some stitches done at Nobles hospital. Nothing serious though. My kids always find it funny when I tell them to tighten their belt just prior to touchdown. Have always done it, and will continue to do so!
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Thanks benpa31 for editing your original post stating I did not know that the aircraft had, had an incident. Also I only assumed you were the Capital pilot from the angle of the photo posted and that the Capital aircraft at the time was PA31 like your user name. Sorry for assuming as you know what that makes....
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Benpa31 - some additional info to help refine the braking theory.
Inspection of closed runway indicates that the aircraft only just landed on the threshold well before the normal touch down zone. There is visible prop scarring in the paved area at this point. Debris was retrieved from this area for analysis.
There is then a long section of unmarked runway before the prop scarring, scuffing and debris resume, a further 200-300metres down the runway; close to the centre line - slowly moving to the right of centre and eventually into the grass.
So, a very hard landing where the prop is striking the paved surface well before the normal touch down zone - leaving debris...
Inspection of closed runway indicates that the aircraft only just landed on the threshold well before the normal touch down zone. There is visible prop scarring in the paved area at this point. Debris was retrieved from this area for analysis.
There is then a long section of unmarked runway before the prop scarring, scuffing and debris resume, a further 200-300metres down the runway; close to the centre line - slowly moving to the right of centre and eventually into the grass.
So, a very hard landing where the prop is striking the paved surface well before the normal touch down zone - leaving debris...
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Hum. Well that's interesting.
So landing was hard as we said, with prop strike, and then nothing for 200 ish meters, then the gear folded enough for second prop strike and then full
Gear failure ??
So landing was hard as we said, with prop strike, and then nothing for 200 ish meters, then the gear folded enough for second prop strike and then full
Gear failure ??
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Would you get the initial prop strikes with the gear intact? Unlikely unless aircraft was significantly "tail up". Nothing to suggest that...
Suggests gear failure at initial landing?
Suggests gear failure at initial landing?
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If the seals go on the gear and all the gas comes out the prop is very close to the gound. With the tyre squashed I could see it striking but I have never seen one with both gas gone and tyre flat.
I have had the seals go on a normal landing and the prop didn't touch but then again the nose didn't come battering down.
Nose fully compressed tyre squashed and MG oleo deflated I could see the prop touching the deck.
In fact that previous report I posted had a prop strike and the tyres and oleos were intacked and they taxied to stand after landing at 5.6g. They had though split the main spar.
I have had the seals go on a normal landing and the prop didn't touch but then again the nose didn't come battering down.
Nose fully compressed tyre squashed and MG oleo deflated I could see the prop touching the deck.
In fact that previous report I posted had a prop strike and the tyres and oleos were intacked and they taxied to stand after landing at 5.6g. They had though split the main spar.
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Mad jock. Think it was u who mentioned pre. that there was a problem with landing gear a few years back. Could this be related, and was just awaiting a heavy landing to show it's face?
If the gear was semi collapsed after touch down, causing prop strike. ( hence reason for pilot thinking he had punctured tyre) They then braked causing gear to fail completely.
I do think it may have had underlying proplem, and was awaiting a none text book landing.?? Or like you said, could be just as simple as a low oleo and heavy landing...
With having no shock abs. and landing heavy, could this be enough to cause gear to fail?
If the gear was semi collapsed after touch down, causing prop strike. ( hence reason for pilot thinking he had punctured tyre) They then braked causing gear to fail completely.
I do think it may have had underlying proplem, and was awaiting a none text book landing.?? Or like you said, could be just as simple as a low oleo and heavy landing...
With having no shock abs. and landing heavy, could this be enough to cause gear to fail?
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Originally Posted by Heir Myles
Inspection of closed runway indicates that the aircraft only just landed on the threshold well before the normal touch down zone. There is visible prop scarring in the paved area at this point. Debris was retrieved from this area for analysis.
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There is no lip, the threshold of the runway is at the end of the starter strip which is brand new asphalt and billiard table smooth.
Interestingly, Red Arrows were here last June and they were landing in formation on the starter strip well before the threshold - naughty naughty ;-).
Interestingly, Red Arrows were here last June and they were landing in formation on the starter strip well before the threshold - naughty naughty ;-).
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I can't remember saying that.
The gear though gets NDT'd regularly if anything happened years ago the aircraft would have been through several checks since and the gear may very well have been overhauled since.
The gear though gets NDT'd regularly if anything happened years ago the aircraft would have been through several checks since and the gear may very well have been overhauled since.
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Given some of the debate on this thread you may well be interested in the photographs on the following sites
North West Air News [NWAN] - Isle of Man section - see thread at
North West Air News - Jetstream G-CCPW Crash Landing
and Aviation Herald updated article
Accident: Linksair JS31 at Isle of Man on Mar 8th 2012, runway excursion, gear collapse
I was one of the ground observers - we were down at Manx Flyers Aero Club at the time. We have passed on our statements and photographs to the aaib team that came over.
North West Air News [NWAN] - Isle of Man section - see thread at
North West Air News - Jetstream G-CCPW Crash Landing
and Aviation Herald updated article
Accident: Linksair JS31 at Isle of Man on Mar 8th 2012, runway excursion, gear collapse
I was one of the ground observers - we were down at Manx Flyers Aero Club at the time. We have passed on our statements and photographs to the aaib team that came over.