Eurolot pilots took off from taxiway
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[quoteI've seen FOs helping truly well for taxing. And I've seen others unable to guide me with 10 Kms of visibility. Sorry, the ones in the second category should not be in that right seat! Simple! But somebody said they were ok in the sim and on the route check!
I don't want skygods but being able to read and understand a map and give directions is a minimum! Basics of flying, yes! ][/quote]
Yes, of course FBW390, you never made any such errors when you were first sat in the RHS as a prelude to becoming a skygod.
I don't want skygods but being able to read and understand a map and give directions is a minimum! Basics of flying, yes! ][/quote]
Yes, of course FBW390, you never made any such errors when you were first sat in the RHS as a prelude to becoming a skygod.
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This airport does not have any LVP's in place, or indeed centreline lighting....either taxiway or runway. It also does not have any system that records whether (or not) the taxiway lighting was operational (on or off) at the time. There are a number of other reasons (associated with "possible" non ICAO compliance) that readers may wish to consider before drawing any conclusions.........unless of course you happen to be real smart arses, and holier than all the rest of us mere plane drivers.
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It also does not have any system that records whether (or not) the taxiway lighting was operational (on or off) at the time.
They had a lot of luck nothing was parked on that taxiway (aircraft or construction equipment) .. or they knew the taxiway was empty and decided to take it - they were either behind schedule, in a hurry for some reason, would need to hold short on the proper runway, or did it for the sake of doing it. I'd go for deliberately - not based on my aviation experience (which is very modest) but based on my experience of the country and how things work there. I just wonder who busted them.
And before you all say that no commercial pilot would deliberately take off from a taxiway - well we all know that commercial pilots for example never bust minimums when landing in fog.
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or they knew the taxiway was empty and decided to take it - they were either behind schedule, in a hurry for some reason, would need to hold short on the proper runway, or did it for the sake of doing it. I'd go for deliberately - not based on my aviation experience (which is very modest)
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Some comments here are a bit harsh. Who can honestly pass judgment on this while pretending that they will never do the same over the course of a flying career? Never say never...
Of course, taxiways are lit differently, signed accordingly (or so one would hope), narrower, with no QFU markings etc. But with 400m of (decreasing) viz, pressure to go (get-there-itis), maybe confirmation bias too, plus maybe fatigue... who knows? It's easy to say "this will never happen to me" when one is flying to major airports with SMR, LVPs, follow-me vehicles, in a (higher) cockpit with a more comprehensive avionics kit. The only upshot is that the ATR42-500's take-off run with a mere 20 PAX onboard would have been only around 800-1000m, when Wroclaw's taxiway B is about 2000m long...
Looking at Jeppesen plate EPWR 10-9 (effective 22SEP11), one can picture the mistake: coming from Apron 1, the crew took the first right on parrallel taxiway "B" instead of the second right on runway 29.
Let's not forget that there have been red faces at KLM and Aeroflot recently for the same reason - in KLM's case, at their home airport (AMS)...
All the electronic gizmos in the world are no substitute for 100% airmanship.
Cheers
Of course, taxiways are lit differently, signed accordingly (or so one would hope), narrower, with no QFU markings etc. But with 400m of (decreasing) viz, pressure to go (get-there-itis), maybe confirmation bias too, plus maybe fatigue... who knows? It's easy to say "this will never happen to me" when one is flying to major airports with SMR, LVPs, follow-me vehicles, in a (higher) cockpit with a more comprehensive avionics kit. The only upshot is that the ATR42-500's take-off run with a mere 20 PAX onboard would have been only around 800-1000m, when Wroclaw's taxiway B is about 2000m long...
Looking at Jeppesen plate EPWR 10-9 (effective 22SEP11), one can picture the mistake: coming from Apron 1, the crew took the first right on parrallel taxiway "B" instead of the second right on runway 29.
Let's not forget that there have been red faces at KLM and Aeroflot recently for the same reason - in KLM's case, at their home airport (AMS)...
All the electronic gizmos in the world are no substitute for 100% airmanship.
Cheers
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the ATR42-500's take-off run with a mere 20 PAX onboard would have been only around 800-1000m, when Wroclaw's taxiway B is about 2000m long...
Please check the picture in the avherald link. You'll see what's left of that taxiway after construction works of the new terminal/apron started.
Incident: Eurolot AT42 at Wroclaw on Nov 15th 2011, took off from taxiway
