Aer Lingus incident in SNN
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Poor Captain
As history has proven with AAE, the pilots will now be fired, the Captain for sure.
Hopefully they will get a better job with a better airline.
Why do people work for guys like this where you are walking on egg shells.
Hopefully they will get a better job with a better airline.
Why do people work for guys like this where you are walking on egg shells.
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Aer Arann Incident
Well I hope they dont get fired. Why should they?
The last excursion I can remember was in Uk on the Shed and they werent fired.
Let the facts come out.
Hoping in favour for the 2 lassies.
The last excursion I can remember was in Uk on the Shed and they werent fired.
Let the facts come out.
Hoping in favour for the 2 lassies.
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Off topic,apologies.
God yeah! remember the shed??? Photos: Short 330-200 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Hmmmmm!
Both Props damaged as well as the already known Nosewheel damage.
An Aer Arann Avion de Transport Regional ATR-72-200 on behalf of Aer Lingus, registration EI-SLM performing flight EI-3601 from Manchester,EN (UK) to Shannon (Ireland) with 21 passengers and 4 crew, landed on Shannon's runway 24 in turbulent conditions at 10:21L (09:21Z) and slowed, however suffered a nose gear collapse while turning off the runway onto taxiway A. The airplane came to a stop on taxiway A within the runway protected area, the nose on the grass to the left of the taxiway. No injuries occurred. The passengers disembarked onto the taxiway via stairs. The aircraft received damage to the nose gear and both propellers.
The airplane had already gone around from approach to runway 24 about 15 minutes earlier. The tower reported possible turbulence at the touch down zone of runway 24.
The airport was closed until approximately 16:30L (15:30Z) until the aircraft was removed from the intersection of taxiway A and runway 24.
Some debris was collected from the runway, the runway received no damage.
Aer Arann said, the airplane suffered a nose gear collapse upon landing on its second approach and veered off the runway onto grass. The AAIU and Irish Aviation Authority have been informed.
The Irish Aviation Accident Investigation Unit AAIU reported that one of the nosewheels was recovered from the grass off the runway, the other nosewheel was found embedded into the fuselage. The blackboxes have been recovered, data from ATC and weather secured. The crew has already been interviewed.
Metars:
EINN 171000Z 30023G35KT 9999 FEW010 SCT013 BKN017 14/11 Q1000 NOSIG
EINN 170930Z 30023KT 9999 -DZ FEW010 SCT014 BKN018 14/11 Q1000 NOSIG
EINN 170900Z 31020G32KT 9999 FEW010 SCT014 BKN018 14/11 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170830Z 31023G33KT 9999 FEW010 SCT013 BKN017 14/12 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170800Z 30020KT 9999 FEW010 BKN013 BKN018 14/12 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170730Z 30021G33KT 9999 SCT012 BKN015 OVC018 14/11 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170700Z 30022G32KT 9999 FEW010 BKN015 OVC018 13/11 Q0999 NOSIG
An Aer Arann Avion de Transport Regional ATR-72-200 on behalf of Aer Lingus, registration EI-SLM performing flight EI-3601 from Manchester,EN (UK) to Shannon (Ireland) with 21 passengers and 4 crew, landed on Shannon's runway 24 in turbulent conditions at 10:21L (09:21Z) and slowed, however suffered a nose gear collapse while turning off the runway onto taxiway A. The airplane came to a stop on taxiway A within the runway protected area, the nose on the grass to the left of the taxiway. No injuries occurred. The passengers disembarked onto the taxiway via stairs. The aircraft received damage to the nose gear and both propellers.
The airplane had already gone around from approach to runway 24 about 15 minutes earlier. The tower reported possible turbulence at the touch down zone of runway 24.
The airport was closed until approximately 16:30L (15:30Z) until the aircraft was removed from the intersection of taxiway A and runway 24.
Some debris was collected from the runway, the runway received no damage.
Aer Arann said, the airplane suffered a nose gear collapse upon landing on its second approach and veered off the runway onto grass. The AAIU and Irish Aviation Authority have been informed.
The Irish Aviation Accident Investigation Unit AAIU reported that one of the nosewheels was recovered from the grass off the runway, the other nosewheel was found embedded into the fuselage. The blackboxes have been recovered, data from ATC and weather secured. The crew has already been interviewed.
Metars:
EINN 171000Z 30023G35KT 9999 FEW010 SCT013 BKN017 14/11 Q1000 NOSIG
EINN 170930Z 30023KT 9999 -DZ FEW010 SCT014 BKN018 14/11 Q1000 NOSIG
EINN 170900Z 31020G32KT 9999 FEW010 SCT014 BKN018 14/11 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170830Z 31023G33KT 9999 FEW010 SCT013 BKN017 14/12 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170800Z 30020KT 9999 FEW010 BKN013 BKN018 14/12 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170730Z 30021G33KT 9999 SCT012 BKN015 OVC018 14/11 Q0999 NOSIG
EINN 170700Z 30022G32KT 9999 FEW010 BKN015 OVC018 13/11 Q0999 NOSIG
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If both props damaged this will mean 2 engine changes and gearbox's as well as all the blades,nosegear and doors,and any structural damage, this aircraft will be out of service for a long time, and the cost will be massive. For a airline that is cash poor this might be a very big dent in there finances......hard to source landing gears and engines for Atr, and this model has very different blades than a standard 72-200. Due to the larger rated engines on this model the blades are also different. This makes it even harder to source spares.
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Can someone explain how the props could be damaged on a nose wheel collapse while taxing, looking at the pictures they seem to be fine, the aircraft would have to go down very low at the front to damage them as there appears to be plenty of ground clearance.
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Well the aircraft looks very left wing down in some of the pictures. i suppose it would have leaned on a wing without the balance of a nose wheel. wing tips dont seem damaged though do they?
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Two possibilities for Prop damage, 1. Damage from Debris, 2. Damage due to contact with the Rwy surface.
I wonder at what height was the first landing attempt rejected at ?
I wonder at what height was the first landing attempt rejected at ?
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Update:
Prop Blade damage due Debris from landing gear (gear doors)...........not runway strike.....on second attempt to land RH nose wheel axal sheared causing failure of nose gear which folded rearwards and aircraft skidded on forward fuselage along the runway for a distance. This aircraft won't be going any where for a good while.
Prop Blade damage due Debris from landing gear (gear doors)...........not runway strike.....on second attempt to land RH nose wheel axal sheared causing failure of nose gear which folded rearwards and aircraft skidded on forward fuselage along the runway for a distance. This aircraft won't be going any where for a good while.
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Fire Services
Full details of incident captured on CCTV.
Bravo to fire services, arrived 90 seconds after call!
Job well done.
Flight crew, two ladies. Captain minor injury I believe.
Bravo to fire services, arrived 90 seconds after call!
Job well done.Flight crew, two ladies. Captain minor injury I believe.
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@propburner, do you have anything good or useful to say?
You do realise I assume that the pilots involved could be reading this thread, and you are presuming both a cause and an outcome without knowing all the facts.
Also, did you ever hear of Insurance?
Glad you talk about having "used" to be in the company as I am glad you are not there now. Could do without people who spout their mouths off this way.
You do realise I assume that the pilots involved could be reading this thread, and you are presuming both a cause and an outcome without knowing all the facts.
Also, did you ever hear of Insurance?
Glad you talk about having "used" to be in the company as I am glad you are not there now. Could do without people who spout their mouths off this way.
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@LMOBOW this is a rumour network.
Regarding propburner spouting their mouth off as you put it, he is only saying whats going on within the walls of AerArann. Something that you, A have no idea about or, B work in head office and dont want people to know whats really going on.
Regards.
Regarding propburner spouting their mouth off as you put it, he is only saying whats going on within the walls of AerArann. Something that you, A have no idea about or, B work in head office and dont want people to know whats really going on.
Regards.
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Just stating the facts from the coal face if your not happy maybe you should keep your out of the thread, even if the pilots of the incident happen to read this I am putting no blame on anyone, yea your right I don't know ALL the facts but I am sure thats a job for the AAIU. But I know some of the detail of what happened.
Just stating the facts from the coal face if your not happy maybe you should keep your out of the thread, even if the pilots of the incident happen to read this I am putting no blame on anyone, yea your right I don't know ALL the facts but I am sure thats a job for the AAIU. But I know some of the detail of what happened.
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I think we can all agree this is not something anyone wanted to see happen. Thankfully no one was injured and speculation will gain nothing more than to cause distress to those involved.
The investigation will no doubt look towards how the company is managed and how crews are treated.
The investigation will no doubt look towards how the company is managed and how crews are treated.
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Do AerLingus know the overall experience levels of the pilots flying on behalf of them in SNN. Levels overall are pretty low as it seems to be a base where new F/O's are sent. No offence to these guys/girls but it can be single pilot ops sometimes. Add to that the -212's, these planes have been nothing but trouble since they arrived and DO NOT behave like a -200/-500 when reducing to ground idle in the flare. These airplanes have a marked nose down tendencey when power is removed.
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You are right there about the nose down approach these two videos show that pretty clearily. Both are ATR aircraft operated by Aer Arann for Aer Lingus regional
You are right there about the nose down approach these two videos show that pretty clearily. Both are ATR aircraft operated by Aer Arann for Aer Lingus regional
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Thunderbirdsix, thats actually a normal approach attitude for the ATR. What I was referring to was the final 10-ish feet down to the runway. SLL,SLM AND SLN all have the 4 bladed prop mated tot the engine of the -500 which have 6 bladed props. When you reduce to flight idle in the flare the tendencey in the -212 is for a rapid nose drop. Most guys and girls I know land with a little bit of power counter-act this. I must say that I dont like flying these aircraft as the noise levels are very high in the flight deck.