Smoking in cockpit......and journos exaggerations
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Someone who is prepared to violate a rule (and risk the health
of their co-workers) is someone with a flawed personality who
doesn't deserve their licence.
of their co-workers) is someone with a flawed personality who
doesn't deserve their licence.
supposed 63yo Mr Shell.
In the same high-horse air of opinion you demonstrate here,
if I was married and had an addiction to shagging hosties on
overnights, would that mean I don't deserve to hold an ATPL
either? After all, I'm putting my crew at emotional risk aren't
I with my "flawed personality".
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Seen 2 cigarette butts sail out the window of Alitalia Flight Decks and then seen the windows close up when they were cleared to line up or take off! Happened plenty of times............not making a judgement, don't care either way what they do; just a comment.
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It's not so much the smoking but the lack of professionalism to follow rules, regs and SOPs.
"So, which SOPs will I choose to follow and choose not to follow....???"
Some airlines actually do permit flight crew to smoke in the cockpit. So be it. But where not it puts the other pilot in a position to either speak up or not. How many times have we seen pilots tell their colleague to speak up as and when needed, yet they are damned if they do and damned if they don't?! What right has one person to knowingly put the other in this scenario? All it leads to is a lack of respect.
Just follow the damn rules, regs and SOPs of the carrier you are with. If you don't like them best to find a carrier who does suit your needs.
An actual occurrence, as told to me: (Air India) Capt abuses the FO for a perceived breach of SOPs (non standard call out), all the while with cigarette in hand and puffing away during the approach......
"So, which SOPs will I choose to follow and choose not to follow....???"
Some airlines actually do permit flight crew to smoke in the cockpit. So be it. But where not it puts the other pilot in a position to either speak up or not. How many times have we seen pilots tell their colleague to speak up as and when needed, yet they are damned if they do and damned if they don't?! What right has one person to knowingly put the other in this scenario? All it leads to is a lack of respect.
Just follow the damn rules, regs and SOPs of the carrier you are with. If you don't like them best to find a carrier who does suit your needs.
An actual occurrence, as told to me: (Air India) Capt abuses the FO for a perceived breach of SOPs (non standard call out), all the while with cigarette in hand and puffing away during the approach......
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"So, which SOPs will I choose to follow and choose not to follow....???"
Maybe I won't follow the one about putting in the descent winds in the event of a return to the airport.
Just an example.
Shell, you are breathtakingly (no pun...) cheeky. That might be acceptable with a 9 year old. Unacceptable from a 63 year old.
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As far as loose rules go in the cockpit, my favorite was Falcon Air's wet T-shirt contest on thier way to spring break resorts in Mexico. As I recall the winner got to sit in the captain's lap.
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Apart from any other argument in favour or against smoking among flight deck crew, when flying as a pax on what is advertised as a non-smoking flight, the last thing I want to smell when seated up front is cigarette smoke emanating through the cockpit door. It's disrespectful to your customers. Simple.
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Actually in the early days, a BA hostie taught me what to take on a flight and how to set the toilet up for a crafty smoke. A technique they all used themselves.
Of course after a while you just get used to it, and now I can go LH without even worrying about it.
Although I do just ask for an extra packet of nuts/snacks with the drinks service and mention that it's because I'm a smoker, and if the CC are too, I normally get enough to keep nibbling till wheels down.
Of course after a while you just get used to it, and now I can go LH without even worrying about it.
Although I do just ask for an extra packet of nuts/snacks with the drinks service and mention that it's because I'm a smoker, and if the CC are too, I normally get enough to keep nibbling till wheels down.
