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AF A330 severe hard landing ccs

Old 25th Apr 2011, 20:09
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AF A330 severe hard landing ccs

anybody know any details?
All I know is that AF and Airbus officials are here and aircraft is severly damaged, both main gears need replacing, 1 is collapsed, heavy fuselage damage etc..
Estimating 1 month of repairs providing they receive permit to fly out of here..
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 20:20
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taken from jacdec.de

DATE: 13.04.2011 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Caracas-Maiquetia Intl AP (SVMI) COUNTRY: Venezuela
AIRLINE: Air France TYPE: Airbus A330-200 REGISTRATION: F-GZCB C/N: 443 AGE: 9 y + 4 m
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: AF 471 FROM: Caracas TO: Paris-CDG VIA: -
OCCUPANTS: PAX: - CREW: -
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor /
substantial 1


Very soon after departure, the pilots received indication about a fault in the gear retraction system and elected to return to land. On landing return, the A330 made a hard touchdown resulting in structural damage to the fuselage and both maingear legs. Longer maintenance expected.

Happened in darkness. Center Fuselage wrinkled. Both mlg needed replacement confirmed.. No pics unfortunately.
No idea why the landing return turned out to be so severe. Pirep would be interesting to read.
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 20:34
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Could have been an overweight landing, subject to fuel jettison. Even so, 360 fpm landing should have worked out ok.
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 21:00
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Could have been an overweight landing, subject to fuel jettison.
I believe the AF A332 fleet are not equipped for fuel dumping. The matter was raised and dealt with in the AF447 thread some time ago.
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 21:36
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I believe the AF A332 fleet are not equipped for fuel dumping (...)
Aviation Herald:
The airplane entered a holding to troubleshoot the problem, after about 25 minutes the crew declared emergency however. The aircraft burned off fuel before landing safely on Caracas' runway 10 almost 3 hours after departure.
Incident: Air France A332 at Caracas on Apr 13th 2011, unsafe gear after departure
 
Old 25th Apr 2011, 22:12
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Well, just talked to AF guys here in ccs and they say that the hard landing was actually when it arrived in CCS the same day.
Inspection was carried out but no findings, then when they departed they had the unsafe gear or couldn't retract and hence returned to ccs..

That time the RH gear collapsed causing further damage..

It will be interesting to follow this since CCS is much like africa, there is nothing here, no hangar etc to support the A330 or similar aircraft

Apparently Airbus are planning to build a portable hangar for the gear change here and then try to fly it out somehow..
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 22:28
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Given the problems encountered by a Portugese operator recently vis-a -vis gear inspection following a heavy landing on an A320, how easy is this inspection to perform (or perhaps , how easy is it to understand the manual) in comparison to say a Boeing ?
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 22:35
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Inspection was carried out but no findings,





There for the grace of............
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 22:43
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there are inspections and 'inspections'.
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 23:25
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Hmmm... difficult job without proper infrastructure...
Jacking the airplane, then heavy LDG tooling required.
MSN 443, so good chances of secondary findings on bushes and corrosion on/in the lugs. Cadmium plating for replacement bushes available at CCS?

I keep my fingers crossed!
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 23:31
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maybe available but no EASA approved repair shops in CCS..
This will be interesting indeed.

This is funny because there is an A340 from Aerolineas Argentina on the remote AOG for 3 days because the gear didnt go up..its a flu!
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Old 25th Apr 2011, 23:40
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inspection

To my uneducated ear/eye that doesn't bide well for AF, yet another accident. So, they inspected after a hard landing the gear, don't find anything, than the gear doesn't retract on the following leg and the subsequent return results in damage to gear AND fuselage...? Oh my...
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 01:33
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Is the distortion in the fuselage confirmed? If so, who's the lucky guy doing the ferry?
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 02:19
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This is funny because there is an A340 from Aerolineas Argentina on the remote AOG for 3 days because the gear didnt go up..its a flu!
Yep. A virus. Surely that is related to the so many computers on board...


Just joking
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 02:33
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If the centre fusalage is buckled then can it be far from a write-off, nine years+ old etc?


That time the RH gear collapsed causing further damage..
Presumably it will be an unpressurised ferry to the nearset Airbus equipped facility?

Trying to remember the aircraft I flew when, if you did a heavy landing, some little markers popped up on the upper wing surface, maybe the BAC 1-11?
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All right!! That's enough!!
I say it is time to list AF in the black book of airlines!
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.... So, they inspected after a hard landing the gear, don't find anything...
I wasn't aware that this was indeed confirmed fact as yet
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 09:47
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Originally Posted by parabellum
Trying to remember the aircraft I flew when, if you did a heavy landing, some little markers popped up on the upper wing surface, maybe the BAC 1-11?
- do you mean the top of the undercarriage legs..............?
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All right!! That's enough!!
I say it is time to list AF in the black book of airlines!
And I say it's time we sent you to the funny farm.
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 11:29
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I seem to recall something similar happening to a A330 belonging to a British charter airline a few years back?

IIRC They had had a hard landing which cracked part of the main gear structure, I think the crew reported the hard landing and the onboard QAR recorded it also. Nothing was found during the required maintenance checks however, on the next departure, the gear failed to retract and so they returned at which point the damage was found following a further inspection.
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