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Air India Captain Arrested

Old 30th Mar 2011, 22:13
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60 more Indian 'pilots' on the run

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/149463/fake-pilots-scam-police-issue.html

New Delhi, March 28, DHNS:


The Delhi Police have issued a lookout notice against three pilots and a flying instructor to ensure they did not flee the country. The notices were issued by the Delhi Police’s crime branch against pilots Swaran Singh Talwar of MDLR, Syed Habib Ali and Bhupinder Singh for allegedly being involved in forging marksheets to procure flying licences, a senior police official said on Monday.

“The three persons possess licences but have not joined any airline. Similar notice has also been issued against a flying instructor D Asatkar,” the official added.

All airports and ports have also been put on high alert. The arrested DGCA official told the police he had processed files relating to around 60 licences in the past two years. The pilots had procured Airlines Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL) using fake documents.

“One has to clear three subjects—Aviation Meteorology, Radio Aids and Instruments and Air Navigation—to get ATPL to become a Commander of a plane. However, these pilots failed in one or the other papers,” the official said.
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Old 31st Mar 2011, 01:46
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dont forget Turkey:

there the first officer log their hours when they are pilot flying as PIC hours!!

so after they do their upgrade to captain, they have already like 3000 PIC hours in their logbook and qualify for many airlines. but in fact they actually only have 200 hours on the left...

but this procedure to log PF time as PIC time is even promoted and and accepted by the turkish companys and their DGCA...

so on the paper their pilots look so experienced. but you may fly with a star alliance member and your captain has not even 500 hours PIC time...

now one guy told me, this is even legal with JAR regulations? but it doesnt feel right.
and over 10 tailstrikes per year with a fleet of just 20 aircrafts speaks for itself...
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 12:39
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That definately isn't right.

Turkey may have been in the JAA but it is outside of EASA. I assume SAFA checks would pick this up.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 14:12
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In my relatively short career I've had about 4 flights that have been subjected to SAFA checks, and on not one occasion has an inspector asked to see a logbook.
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Sounds rather lack of them.

Every oil company advisor when auditing is trained to look closely at fliying experience.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 17:06
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dont forget Turkey:

there the first officer log their hours when they are pilot flying as PIC hours!!
Have you checked the FAA regulations lately? You might find that the same thing happens in the USA if the person is type rated on the aircraft
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Those SICs logging PIC in the US seeking employment may be found out with PRIA. Other countries are getting hep to the PRIA too.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 17:20
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Captainnic, your informations is not correct. FOs get the logbook signed by PIC after each flight, so cannot be PIC. Re SAFA, there is NO requirement to carry your logbook anymore. My advice, just avoid India.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 17:33
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I have never been asked for my log on a ramp inspection. If I was asked I would say it is at home. If the inspector asked why I would politely inform him it is not a wise idea to be carrying around your logbook on the aircraft. If he asked why, he would be informed, if the aircraft were to crash and burn, there would be no logbook to refer to in the accident investigation. Same applies when considering carrying the aircraft logbooks.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 18:20
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PRIA
What is this?
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 19:22
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I am amazed that India still has IASA Cat 1 status.
From here, it looks like oversight is inadequate.
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Old 3rd Apr 2011, 22:04
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If I were an inspector I would never trust any pilot flying logbook as they could be easily doctored; it would just be a waste of time. The only true record would be the airline's computer records and I would ask to see that print out for the previous month.
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Old 4th Apr 2011, 00:15
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Already been done at reputable airlines with bona fide pilots. Some regulatory agencies will now have only a cursory look at a pilot's logbook but insist on company computer records. Through ACARS and auto flight log systems, on completion of flight all flight details go to the company computer data base including autolands, engine out taxi, low drag flap landings and of course any FOQA excursions!
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Old 6th Apr 2011, 02:54
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This is just the "tip of the iceberg" to be cliche'. I have an acquaintance who related a story to me about a Air India crew out of Delhi several months back that stalled the B777 on takeoff. Supposedly recovered at approx. 700 feet. This gentleman was on the jumpseat and reached up and firewalled the throttles and told the Indian captain to level his wings and lower his nose to stop the buffeting(they proceeded past the stick shaker phase). The two first officers in the cockpit were VERY low time. If this story is true, I would love to investigate the backgrounds of the Indian crew. Unfortunately this is going to happen more and more.
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@keyline: The event seems to be the subject of this thread in PPRUNE: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...-incident.html

Mind you, it's not all negative news from that of the world. Here's a story about young, hard working ATPL. Hard working, because she at the age of 21 has already accumulated 2,100 hours flying time. Very impressive.

Hats off to Bavicca Bharathi ! | Aviation Herald
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 10:45
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Problem solved

26 fake pilots found in DGCA sweep


NEW DELHI: The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) has detected 13 fake pilots, six commanders and seven co-pilots in all who got their licences using unfair means so far. The number of fake commanders could well be close to a peak as the verification drive is almost complete.

There are 1,704 Indian commanders and papers of 31 of them are to be checked by the end of this week.

The focus is now on checking the papers of 6,331 co-pilots registered with the DGCA. "We have checked 1,000 co-pilots' papers and come across seven instances where unfair means were used. Screening of other co-pilots will be completed at the earliest," DGCA chief Bharat Bhushan said. He added that authorities had started a massive crackdown.

The aviation ministry has started the process of revamping pilot examination system. It is getting suggestions from public stakeholders for the process: conduct online exams for pilots and commanders periodically and have a defined syllabus
Very safe now
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 14:20
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Most of these JOKERS that are being held for forging their documents are the ones who got into the cockpit during the peak period in Indian Aviation (when India was ruling in overcapacity).

There are many more who may have not forged their documents, but are incompetent to get to the left seat, which in turn delays the new guys getting into the right seat... Thats also the reason behind shortage of Indian Commanders..
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Some one had too much hummus that night .
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BJP smells bigger scam in Air India

Hi

Strike , coruption and all thats going on in AI
no wonder some corps on the road

The Hindu : News / National : BJP smells bigger scam in Air India

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Old 1st May 2011, 18:35
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Strike day 5

The Hindu : News / National : Air India MD asks staff to ‘persuade’ pilots to return to work
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