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Old 11th Apr 2001, 10:27
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Gloomberg just reported that CX sacked a pilot due to an incident in a HK bar !

Apparently according to Gloomberg, the pilot & CX's CEO were involved in some sort of incident ? !
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 11:03
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According to the SCMP, Captain Scott Munro was dismissed in early April after he allegedly threw nuts at Cathay's CEO David Turnbull in a Hong Kong bar.

 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 11:46
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Was that a case of 'Nuts to the CEO' then?

Perhaps he was unamused, 'cos coconuts are quite noticeable!

Always a dangerous option when it's public.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 12:37
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Makes you wonder what would motivate someone along these lines, but after reading fragrant
I now understsand.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 12:39
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Go to Fragrant Harbour for more details.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 12:40
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HONG KONG, April 11 (Reuters) - A senior Cathay Pacific pilot was sacked for throwing nuts at the airline's boss in a bar, a company spokeswoman said on Wednesday.
Captain Scott Munro was dismissed in early April after David Turnbull, chief executive of the Hong Kong airline, accused the pilot of showering him with nuts.
"The (sacking) decision was taken the same afternoon after a disciplinary hearing," the Cathay spokeswoman said.
Munro could not be contacted for immediate comment.
"He was dismissed for throwing things at me. We have to operate a disciplined company and you do not throw things at the chief executive," Turnbull was quoted as saying in the South China Morning Post on Wednesday.
"He's the captain of the ship. It's not what you expect of him...if the cabin crew did that to a passenger, they would be dismissed," Turnbull added.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 12:43
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They should have been drinking in the Long Bar at Raffles Hotel, Singapore!! Then the throwing of peanuts and their shells would not have been a sackable offence, but merely following a tradition!!
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 15:36
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I am afraid that this is all too frequent with Hong Kong airlines. It is rare for a pilot to be sacked for any professional reason. It is almost always a political reason - such as the company, or a senior individual in that company, taking a dislike to the pilot concerned. It has happened in Dragonair as well with certain 'A scale' pilots being pushed out for obscure reasons.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 21:16
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fire the nut!!! not the pilot
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 21:29
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I disagree with CX's CEO.

An extremely petty incident resulted in the loss of this guy's job.

This occured *outside* of both parties' positions of professional capacity (ie. they weren't in the office, they were in a BAR!-an informal setting!) and thus both men's positions in terms of seniority were completely irrelevant.

Outside the office & off the job should have meant they were both equals!

And what incited Scott Munro's actions anyway? That hasn't been reported! Hmmmmmm....

 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 21:51
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AJ: Couldn't agree more!
I'm not CX, so have stayed out of this until now. Seems like the CX CEO should get a life iso being so stuck up. If he was in a bar having a pi$$ up with the rest of the crew, then whats his problem? If the kitchen's too hot....
BTW, have only been to HKG twice; Crew-rest thru Kai-Tak (followed by a great night out in Joe Banana's & met a good CX crowd) & CLK once in transit.
Yr CX NOMFWIC needs his head looked at.



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Old 11th Apr 2001, 21:57
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In such cases many argue that nomatter where such a behavior occured, it tells a lot about one's poor judgment, a poor judgement that may exhibit itself in much more serious circumstances as well.

> AJ said:
> This occured *outside* of both parties' positions of professional capacity (ie. they weren't in
> the office, they were in a BAR!-an informal setting!) and thus both men's positions in terms
> of seniority were completely irrelevant.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 22:35
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If the CEO was a real man who would of settled the matter outside man to man.
Must be nice to be able to hide behind a nice suit and solid mahogany desk. Bet he got bullied at school though.
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 22:38
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Well, I can well understand this pilot's anger. His salary has been reduced over the years and now he only makes 150,000. He has to fly as much as 60 or 70 hours in clapped out old new aircraft. He has to live in the hills, sea and sun that make up Hong Kong. Yeah -you're right, I'd go nuts for his job - what a plonker!
 
Old 11th Apr 2001, 22:52
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Whilst I don't intend to hijack this post with my replies;

Bourbon,

Conditions are not an issue here; the issue is:

Was this dismissal fair?

What other disciplinary measures could DT have taken, apart from ruining someone's day?

Don't get me wrong, I would never have expected Mr.CX CEO to have sat there laughing after being thrown peanuts by someone who should have perhaps restrained himself.

BUT,
To immediately fire him-and thus make things extremely difficult for this guy career-wise??>>> well, doesn't that smell of an overreaction to you?

As suggested above, an out-of-bar settlement would have perhaps been better for Mr.Munro and CX's reputation-the news sends the wrong signals to prospective CX aircrew!!

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Old 11th Apr 2001, 23:21
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What's the point of giving his name to the mass media ? He's been fired (even if he doesn't really deserve it, who knows ?), isn't that enough ?

And who does this CEO think he is ???
Or maybe I should ask when does he think he is ? Middle-Ages ?
 
Old 12th Apr 2001, 00:29
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Does Capt. Munro want a job as a BALPA rep.

Throwing nuts is a great improvement on caving in and being "nice"

 
Old 12th Apr 2001, 01:28
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bourbon, you must work for Cx's PR agency, you make salaries and bases up so well. Never mind, I don't expect you allow facts (such as wx or notams) to interfere with your opinions!
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Old 12th Apr 2001, 01:29
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I understand that the CEO commented "If a Flight Attendant had thrown something at a Passenger, they would have been fired.."

I can understand that, as the Passenger is a fare paying customer. However, the CEO is in many ways, just along for a free ride!

Now were the peanuts, dry roasted, honey roasted or just plain?

Cheers, OffshoreIgor
 
Old 12th Apr 2001, 05:40
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Sounds like the concerned el Capitan was demonstrating his rather juvenile attitude after one-too-many. Maybe he will exercise better judgement in retirement.
 

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