British Airliner strays into Israeli airspace
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It's a part of the world with some very complex and narrow bits of airspace, starting with the nonsense at VESAR where you coordinate your own handovers.
A lot of airfields have sensitive boundaries close to them that require very accurate navigation just after take off. Using published sids and stars is the easiest way for the crews to keep their SA going. The habit in Egypt of giving a local clearance with radials to intercept, as part of the take off clearance, coupled with a frequency change, makes for challenging departures. It's a habit that should be stamped on. I think it speaks volumes for the majority of crews that it doesn't happen on a regular basis.
A lot of airfields have sensitive boundaries close to them that require very accurate navigation just after take off. Using published sids and stars is the easiest way for the crews to keep their SA going. The habit in Egypt of giving a local clearance with radials to intercept, as part of the take off clearance, coupled with a frequency change, makes for challenging departures. It's a habit that should be stamped on. I think it speaks volumes for the majority of crews that it doesn't happen on a regular basis.
Quite common to get "Cleared for take-off", small pause then "after take-off, climb xxxxft, left turn, intercept xxx radial". Wise to it now so don't stand the thrust levers up until I am sure he has finished talking but also had them try to give us a complicated re-clearance just after wheels up.
It really is amateur hour down there sometimes BUT the onus is definitely on the crew to confirm the clearance and make sure you are on the correct radial and climb clearance, a task not helped by busy RT and a very thick English accent, some of the hardest controllers to understand that I have come across.
Pretty much inevitable that its going to wrong at some point.
It really is amateur hour down there sometimes BUT the onus is definitely on the crew to confirm the clearance and make sure you are on the correct radial and climb clearance, a task not helped by busy RT and a very thick English accent, some of the hardest controllers to understand that I have come across.
Pretty much inevitable that its going to wrong at some point.
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No going over the Golden Temple in Jerusalem. A similar approach is required for landing into AMM.
