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TK A340 Landing Incident

Old 28th Oct 2010, 13:38
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Company regulations about handflying...

It states in Ops Man hand flying not allowed and autopilot must be used at all times except for T/O and landing.
This is why thier flying skills are below standard as Autopilot generally disconnected at around 400' Agl.
Same with my company - it's not exactly quoted in the OMA, but in company instructions by the chief pilot.

I do not follow these instructions. I'm responsible for my flying skills as well as for many other things. Without practice I'm not able to keep up my scanning and basic flying skills.

In good WX conditions I just "start my landing in 10.000ft", turn everything off and do a raw data approach.
If everything everything goes well, nobody will ask.
If you do a tailstrike or something else, having flown fully managed will not help you as well. By keeping my skills up I just try to avoid such situations.
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Old 28th Oct 2010, 16:37
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gear down cruise?

15000 hours in 727/737/757 and 767 tell me this just can't be true. Flying with the gear down at high speed is so loud it hurts your ears, and the vibration is very apparent! Does anyone have anything to backup this story?
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Old 28th Oct 2010, 17:53
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Like the time we "forgot" the gear down on a Tristar. Climbing out of ATL we received a call from ATC telling us that they had received a call that we had forgotten to raise the undercarriage, we hadn't, was only that we had hot brakes and needed to cool them off a bit before raising the gear. On taxi out, especially long ones, the L10 had a tendency for the brakes to get hot, at take off they were ok but after take they tended to get a bit hot so we had to use airflow to cool them down. The 343 without brake fans were similar, after retraction they would get hot so you needed to lower them again.
Sorry for adding to the thread creep.
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 03:55
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22134, I wouldnt have believed this story if I had not heard of this happening before, a friend of mine forgot to raise the gear when his IOE captain forgot to call for the gear up, they raised the gear in the upper fl200's when they finally noticed the horrible rate of climb on an already horribly performing aircraft.

Does TK have different quality standards across the fleet?
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Old 2nd Nov 2010, 00:08
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Lack of communication skills in all areas
Huge lack of English skills, ask any European controller
Lack of training, only box ticking
Lack of knowledge of systems
Huge man and boy attitude.
In some cases total disregard for checklists and SOP's ask any 737 driver.

I have a colleague out there who says very much the same thing - especially that bit about box ticking. The paperwork is PERFECT...
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