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Old 13th Sep 2010, 15:15
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Venezuelan ATR-43 Crash

47 people onboard - no other details.
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Source: Reuters

CARACAS, Sept 13 (Reuters) - A plane belonging to state-run airline Conviasa crashed during a domestic flight in Venezuela with 47 people on board on Monday, a minister said. ATR42 apparently.
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BBC World News reporting there are 23 survivors at least. Also referring to Conviasa as the "national flag carrier".
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Apparently the crew experienced control problems after takeoff. They are talking about reversing of control imputs...go figure.
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it was an ATR-42 , YV-1010
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Forced landing onto grounds of SIDOR steel plant, approx 6 nm from SVPR.











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Registration would appear to be YV-1010.
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Venezuela crash

2010/09/13 - City News.ca Staff reporting

The state-run Conviasa aircraft went down around 10a.m. near Puerto Ordaz, in the easter part of the country. Officials there have so far listed 23 survivors. The aircraft was heading to Margarita Island. The cause of the crash still under investigation.
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Most recent report says flight was FROM Margarita Island TO Puerto Ordaz. And that 2 of the original 23 known survivors have died of their injuries.

AP Plane crashed with 51 aboard in Venezuela | World News | Comcast.net

Fog of war.
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Venezuela based TeleSur reported 3 hours ago 14 casualties confirmed + 4 other bodies still trapped in the wreckage and 33 survivors transfered to medical facilities.
The TV Network also quotes the Governor of the State of Bolivar as saying that the crew told the tower that they "lost control" of the a/c, shortly after TO.

Source: TeleSURtv.net - Autoridades confirman 14 fallecidos por accidente aéreo al sur de Venezuela
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Sad Day in Venezuela

my friend was the Cap survived the crash but died later his memory will always be in our hearts

ASN Aircraft accident ATR-42-320 YV1010 Puerto Ordaz Airport (PZO)
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Go figure? Happens very occasionally after maintenance, when the aileron control cables or rods are inadvertently reversed. You'd have thought by now they'd have designed out this Murphy's Law mixup, with different threads or sizes on the two cables/rods.
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Reversed Controls?

We won't know for sure for awhile if the unlikely cause was reversed controls...

After about 600 hours in C150, C182 and Citabria I read an NTSB report of a poor guy that took off in a GA plane with reversed aileron cable connections.

Had a little turbulence on takeoff, rolled to correct, rolled some more, and that was it.

From that day forward there was one more item on my checklist. Until then it had been move controls, verify full range of motion. The new item: roll right, look at ailerons, think wind going by, which way will I roll. Ditto for rudder and elevator.

If I'd been told just before takeoff: your controls are backwards... still don't know if I could have adapted once I got bumped around by a little wind on takeoff.

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When I learnt to fly many years ago, it was full, free, and EFFECTIVE movement [correct sense]. Even killed a top fighter pilot after maintenance. Ailerons were not even connected. Ejection at 90 degrees, too low. Complacency.........Drummed into me from the start. It was always on my flying schools checklist.
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in a two seat, side by side cockpit, push the stick towards the person in other seat and say out loud "up yours" checking the opposite aileron has risen. It is amazing what sticks in ones mind from the first flying lesson.

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We also say that flying a B737. "Up yours.."!! I just started getting into the habit of actually looking outside as you can just about see the aileron from the flight deck.

Think its going to be a habit that will stick now!
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If it's flown all the way from Margarita, I don't see how crossed-cables can be a problem
History shows that airframe icing can induce control reversal in some aircraft in the event of the failure of deicing systems, or failure to follow procedures.
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ATR down in Venezuela

It happened last week; and I am surprised nobody said nothing here.

Here is the Link: Crash: Conviasa AT42 near Puerto Ordaz on Sep 13th 2010, loss of control

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Such as here, you mean?
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Dear Fellow pilots:

another way of checking the flight controls is in the reflection of the terminal building at the gate. using common sense clearing procedures, with apu on providing hydraulics through your electrical pump, move the controls and watch for them in the reflection of the terminal building windows.

Flying the B737 after all the rudder problems made me like this technique.

Certainly on some planes, you might not get movement (eg: DC9 family using aerodynamic powered controls/tabs etc)...but you would see roll spoiler movement.

the first flight out of mx is dangerous...potentially.
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