Lufthansa cargo plane crash

[stilton]

''Aircraft with a centerline Bogie wear a familiar telltale of "Heavy Landing Prep"



Er, what ??



Lyman, you don't appear to make any sense

[Gretchenfrage]

But as long as you´re aware of this and remember basic flying it is not a difficult aircraft to fly.

Nicely put and so true. It points at the originating problem: Basic flying skills.

Y'alls continue diverting discussions about video analysis, short coupling, landing gear design and other of your non flying hobbies ......... and you just keep on proving our point.

[ironbutt57]

A hard landing happens in lots of different types of aircraft, it's just the wing root failure/rollover that seems to be unique on the MD, 4 instances that I'm aware of....

[Burger Thing]

Loved flying the MD-11. I always found that with its LSAS, small, gentle inputs worked best on a approach. Similar to a FBW aircraft. It is airplane with a relatively high VREF and therefor initiating the flare at the correct height is vital, but I honestly don't think it has bad handling habits. Heck, I preferred the MD-11 in a crosswind compared to the Airbus I am flying now.

Automation and Flight Guidance was better in the MD-11, too, but that is another story.

[WASPERNATOR]

Hard landing! Again.. crew did the wrong thing. The MD11 does sound a little tricky to land safely?

[DOVES]

Excellent WASPERNATOR
Excuse me but I don’t understand precisely what You’re saying.
Do you mean that there has been another MD11 hard landing in the recent days?
If yes, can you please let us know where, how, when, why and under what circumstances it happened?

[ironbutt57]

Well, it didnt result in an accident, but I did observe a rather "firm" one recently in Dubai, followed by a cocked nosewheel on de-rotation which resulted in a large amount of smoke, and a tense moment or two for me, as I was approaching M13A and the nosewheel was pointing at me as it travelled past at a good clip, fortunately the aircraft didnt follow....

[Flightmech]

Don't mean to be rude but don't other types have "firm ones" now and again?? Normally as a result of seat-to-airplane interface?

[ironbutt57]

As I've mentioned previously yes,(might have even committed one me-self) just not every day you see the "nosewheel dance", and most certainly not the wing failing, fortunately this time is wasnt that "firm"....the airplane appears to be a bit "unconventional" in its handling characteristics...as passed on to me by several former colleagues who fly it...

[DBate]

Originally Posted by ironbutt57

Well, it didnt result in an accident, but I did observe a rather "firm" one recently in Dubai, followed by a cocked nosewheel on de-rotation which resulted in a large amount of smoke...

Be careful to judge a landing on the MD11 just by the amount of smoke you see generated on wheel spinup:

Several times I heard comments from other aircraft about our landings because of the amount of smoke, while the landing was absolutely normal and not firm whilst sitting at the controls on the flightdeck.

As for the nosewheel... hard to tell what happened there.

Cheers,
DBate

[ironbutt57]

No need to judge by the smoke, seen plenty of MD landings, and other types as well

[Weapons_Hot]

Y'all Gotta Know How to Fly

Couldn't agree with you more for those who have commented on basic flying skills required to land the MD.

For those who haven't flown it, well, there are those who have, and there are those who have yet to.

Further, Burger Things comments are very apt - in a savage Xwind, I prefer the MD to le Bus. Same goes for its FMS.

Keep the blue side up.