MK 74F down in PHC?
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I am afraid I cannot contain myself! For those not familiar with "The Guv" one just has to trawl these pages to see how well informed and respected he is on just about any subject. However his information and invective against MKs Company contains many generalisations and more to the point inaccuracies. He also neglects to add "Operating within the bounds of the law" to his list of MKs crimes. Do not blame someone from taking advantage of a legal situation and providing lifelines to many individuals whose personal situations were far worse than most, having left Zimbabwe and other African States in difficult circumstances. If MK wishes to employ his personnel from African States that is his choice and all are damn fine people and familiar with Africa and her ways. If all Brits were like the Guv God knows what the industry would be like as much as I don't like slanging matches but Guv you Sir are an arrogant, ignorant T***T with a serious chip on your shoulder who should refrain from offering your opinionated comments until the facts are clear.
My condolences to all involved in this tragic incident.
Rant over
My condolences to all involved in this tragic incident.
Rant over
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Hey there Greek God,
I couldn't have put it better myself. I think its time that Guv, was shown that he not the 'all knowing'.
As has been said already, bashing, throwing suggestions and accusations as to why and how this happened are all but pointless until the facts are known.
"Der Guvnor" (I am now guessing) has probably been around a few more years than my good self and I can't believe how he still doesn't know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.
Obviously he's not the most learned of people!
Cheers
I couldn't have put it better myself. I think its time that Guv, was shown that he not the 'all knowing'.
As has been said already, bashing, throwing suggestions and accusations as to why and how this happened are all but pointless until the facts are known.
"Der Guvnor" (I am now guessing) has probably been around a few more years than my good self and I can't believe how he still doesn't know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.
Obviously he's not the most learned of people!
Cheers
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As previously discussed, the number of pax ALLOWED to be carried varies on configuration.
In reality, especially in this part of the world, the max number of pax (crew) depends entirely upon the Captain.
Why are you asking this question? Does the number of persons on board have anything to do with the topic?
As previously discussed, the number of pax ALLOWED to be carried varies on configuration.
In reality, especially in this part of the world, the max number of pax (crew) depends entirely upon the Captain.
Why are you asking this question? Does the number of persons on board have anything to do with the topic?
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The max number of pax (crew) depends on the Captain? what bunch of cowboys have you worked for, if at all. The number of persons on the upper deck of a freight 747 is limited by the number of escape devices fitted BY LAW. Much as I absolutely detest agreeing with the Guvnor on anything, and sympathise greatly with the families of the cre involved, he is right when it comes to this one. As for allegedly flying suspectly maintained aircraft around in a suspect manner to give Zims a job, well.....
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I have many good friends in MK. Still haven't found out who the fatalities were, but **** ********* (The Guvnor!!!)after having associated with you in the past I am now fully convinced that (EDIT NOTE remainder of paragraph deleted. This forum is not for personal attacks, nor is it for the naming of individual participants.
I apologise to all Ppruners for the tone and content of my post, I do not often respond to comments here but this time imho ******** has overstepped the mark.
RIP to all those who have died in this accident.
[ 30 November 2001: Message edited by: McD ]
I apologise to all Ppruners for the tone and content of my post, I do not often respond to comments here but this time imho ******** has overstepped the mark.
RIP to all those who have died in this accident.
[ 30 November 2001: Message edited by: McD ]
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The Guv may have a poor sense of timing with his observations on MK but I do feel the Pontious has overstepped the mark himself somewhat.
Surely the point of an open forum like this is to express views and to be prepared to have them challenged in a rational, professional manner.
If people make remarks that others deem in bad taste then we just have to accept that this is part and parcel of free debate.
Pontious I have no axe to grind either way. I do feel the Guv was premature in his observations and less than tasteful in some of his comments but equally, he did not resort to the kind of abuse you have posted here.
If you are unable to debate intelligently then perhaps you should leave instead??
I assume from your handle that you have been a pilot for a long, long time. Perhaps some old aged cantankerism is setting in here!
At the end of the day we should all realise that everyone os free to agree and disagree with one another but we should not have to endure obscenities as a result.
I personally hope your abusive posting is moderated.
It is simply not good enough to post and to then apologise for the posting in the hope that it makes it OK.
It does not. Grow up.
Don't post it in the first place.
Surely the point of an open forum like this is to express views and to be prepared to have them challenged in a rational, professional manner.
If people make remarks that others deem in bad taste then we just have to accept that this is part and parcel of free debate.
Pontious I have no axe to grind either way. I do feel the Guv was premature in his observations and less than tasteful in some of his comments but equally, he did not resort to the kind of abuse you have posted here.
If you are unable to debate intelligently then perhaps you should leave instead??
I assume from your handle that you have been a pilot for a long, long time. Perhaps some old aged cantankerism is setting in here!
At the end of the day we should all realise that everyone os free to agree and disagree with one another but we should not have to endure obscenities as a result.
I personally hope your abusive posting is moderated.
It is simply not good enough to post and to then apologise for the posting in the hope that it makes it OK.
It does not. Grow up.
Don't post it in the first place.
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I see we've managed to descend to our usual (low) level of behaviour.
There's a dead crewmember and a wrecked 74F. We're telling each other to !^%^$*@& etc etc.
Wonderful.
There's a dead crewmember and a wrecked 74F. We're telling each other to !^%^$*@& etc etc.
Wonderful.
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SAD TO HEAR ABOUT MK AIRLINES, OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY OF THE DECEASED AND WOUNDED CREW MEMBERS.
PHC ILS WORKING AND SPOT ON IF I MIGHT ADD, RADAR ALSO AVAILABLE ON APPROACH.
TO THE GUY WHO SENT ME THE E-MAIL LAST NIGHT, WELL GUESS WHAT, THE ISLANDERS ARE ALL OUT NOW, CURRENTLY OPERATING THE DORNIER 328JET AND HMM HMM BRAND NEW EUROCOPTERS THAT HAVE JUST ARRIVED!
PHC TO TELL IT AS IT REALLY IS FROM A GUY THAT GREW UP HERE AND NOW WORKS HERE IS ONE GREAT TOWN TO FLY IN THIS PART OF NIGERIA, AND ANYBODY WHO SAYS THE OPPOSITE TO ME IS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE NO ONE COMES AFTER HIS OR HER JOB HERE, BECAUSE WE SURE ARE HAVING A BALL OUT HERE.
TOO MANY GUYS SEND OUT NEGATIVE TALK ABOUT THIS PLACE AND ITS ALL LIES.
ENGLISH, AMERICANS, AUSSIES, FRENCH, DUTCH, PORTUGAL, SPANISH, YOU NAME IT AND ME NIGERIAN ALL OUT HERE AND WE HAVE NO COMPLAINS EXCEPT FOR THE USUAL AFRICAN RAZZMATAZZ IN SOME CASES.
AS FOR THE TOWN ITS OKAY NOT BAD AT ALL COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, AS FOR THE SOCIAL LIFE I PROMISE YOU WON'T REGRET IT.
A FEW JOBS AVAILABLE ALSO IF YOU CAN COME IN WITH THE RIGHT CONTACTS, I CAN ALSO HELP WITH INFO,L JUST EMAIL ME.
ZAZOO
PHC ILS WORKING AND SPOT ON IF I MIGHT ADD, RADAR ALSO AVAILABLE ON APPROACH.
TO THE GUY WHO SENT ME THE E-MAIL LAST NIGHT, WELL GUESS WHAT, THE ISLANDERS ARE ALL OUT NOW, CURRENTLY OPERATING THE DORNIER 328JET AND HMM HMM BRAND NEW EUROCOPTERS THAT HAVE JUST ARRIVED!
PHC TO TELL IT AS IT REALLY IS FROM A GUY THAT GREW UP HERE AND NOW WORKS HERE IS ONE GREAT TOWN TO FLY IN THIS PART OF NIGERIA, AND ANYBODY WHO SAYS THE OPPOSITE TO ME IS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE NO ONE COMES AFTER HIS OR HER JOB HERE, BECAUSE WE SURE ARE HAVING A BALL OUT HERE.
TOO MANY GUYS SEND OUT NEGATIVE TALK ABOUT THIS PLACE AND ITS ALL LIES.
ENGLISH, AMERICANS, AUSSIES, FRENCH, DUTCH, PORTUGAL, SPANISH, YOU NAME IT AND ME NIGERIAN ALL OUT HERE AND WE HAVE NO COMPLAINS EXCEPT FOR THE USUAL AFRICAN RAZZMATAZZ IN SOME CASES.
AS FOR THE TOWN ITS OKAY NOT BAD AT ALL COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, AS FOR THE SOCIAL LIFE I PROMISE YOU WON'T REGRET IT.
A FEW JOBS AVAILABLE ALSO IF YOU CAN COME IN WITH THE RIGHT CONTACTS, I CAN ALSO HELP WITH INFO,L JUST EMAIL ME.
ZAZOO
I have several good friends flying for MK and I have not been able to contact ANY of them. Can anyone put me in touch with someone who could tell me who the injured/deceased are? I am worried sick here!
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I too have many friends flying for MK, would also like to know who was involved if anyone knows.
As for Guvvy boys ranting I have to say that I can only admire MK for having a go, as well as providing work for a lot of Zimbo's when their own country is going t1ts up all around them. And remember that a lot of those guys have young families to provide for in that currently screwed up country...
As for Guvvy boys ranting I have to say that I can only admire MK for having a go, as well as providing work for a lot of Zimbo's when their own country is going t1ts up all around them. And remember that a lot of those guys have young families to provide for in that currently screwed up country...
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First, sympathies for all of those people affected...
Just curious - how big an operation is MK? How many pilots - DC-8 and 747 pilots? Where are the aircraft based?
I know MK specialises in African flying - where else do they "typically" fly - any European-Africa routes that are flown more often than others?
Cheers
Just curious - how big an operation is MK? How many pilots - DC-8 and 747 pilots? Where are the aircraft based?
I know MK specialises in African flying - where else do they "typically" fly - any European-Africa routes that are flown more often than others?
Cheers
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Yet another pompous posting from CR2...just think, if the powers that be (such as they are in Africa) carried out their statutory duties correctly and in accordance with the AOC issued, there would be NO dead crew members, and NO crashed 747!!!!
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StopStart: I can only guess you don't like my general complaint that some contributors are using this thread to slag each other off.
Edit: I see fergineer slapped your wrists over on th GF L10 thread. Having a bad day were we?
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: CargoRat2 ]
Edit: I see fergineer slapped your wrists over on th GF L10 thread. Having a bad day were we?
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: CargoRat2 ]
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CR2, no, I was trying to disassociate the tragedy itself from the causes of the accident. You and I both fly in Africa, and know how slack standards can be. If they are not tightened up soon there will be more crashes. A review of the posts, including...'the capatain is above the law'....will show what I mean.
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I'm fully with The Guv and Stop Start on this one. I know a lot of the MK guys as a past employer used MSE for its maintenance as well as operating into Africa and almost all of them were cowboys that wouldn't last 10 seconds in the real world with regulations.
I also know a lot of the other Euro FR8 dogs and most of them are out of work these days thanks to operators like DAS and MK.
If these guys want to use flags of convenience then fine but don't allow them anywhere near the civilised world where the rest of us have to obey the rules.
I spent several months recently in Nigeria and all those people here who are coming up with all the usual cr@p about it being a disaster area are WRONG!! They obviously havent been there since the 80s as things have improved plenty. MMIA works like a Euro airport and PHC also has the full set of navaids that are spot on. Perhaps the reason the MK guys keep crashing there is because they simply can't fly aeroplanes?
I also know a lot of the other Euro FR8 dogs and most of them are out of work these days thanks to operators like DAS and MK.
If these guys want to use flags of convenience then fine but don't allow them anywhere near the civilised world where the rest of us have to obey the rules.
I spent several months recently in Nigeria and all those people here who are coming up with all the usual cr@p about it being a disaster area are WRONG!! They obviously havent been there since the 80s as things have improved plenty. MMIA works like a Euro airport and PHC also has the full set of navaids that are spot on. Perhaps the reason the MK guys keep crashing there is because they simply can't fly aeroplanes?