Crash at Brum
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Ltn.man 604 is a completely different aircraft than the 600 you mention.Not even the same engines.Having worked on 604 we experienced many problems with the thrust reversers,found these to be a weak spot on both 601& 604.I wonder if one of these may have come out on take off?.Have never heard of uncommanded input to pfcu,s on this aircraft.
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LTM Man was correct, the aircraft involved in the Wichita crash was a 604 (fuel migration in the aux tank was suspected). The type CL-600-2B16 covers all the 600's 601's and the 604 is a "variant" of that.
My condolences to the families.
My condolences to the families.
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IF the aircraft had not been de-iced could this have been a contributory factor? One report (could have been a local paper or an alleged witness)said the aircraft got airborne and then came back down. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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My condolances to the families and friends of the crew and passengers. LTN Man, how can you say this is similar to the ICT crash, obviously you don't know your head from your arse. Investigators take time to assess ALL facts before commenting, maybe you should do the same. The ICT crash was on a test bed aircraft configured in a certain manner for the planned test flight. I don't know how this 604 was loaded or any other fact other than people were killed so I make no comment.
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...I haven't posted anything on pprune since before the 9000 member mark...but here goes,
Thirteen Twelve,i am glad you 'upper cased' the words 'APPEARED' & 'SEEMED' in your post otherwise some people may have got the wrong impression and may have thought your inferrence was that BHX fire service's response wasn't immeadiate and without professional application to the task.
The FACTS are that;
1)The fire station alarms & doors were activated 1 to 2 seconds post impact
2)The fire vehicles arrived at approx impact +1 minute
3)The perceived delay in applying the fire-fighting medium was,as you probably would agree 'one of those slow motion moments' but several things have to be considered -
a)a brief assessment of impact site prevailing wind etc for successful retardant application,vehicle /crew safety
b)fire crews would have to suit up in B.A kit
c)fire vehicles cannot charge up to the crash site and start dumping foam there and then as casualties may lie in the path of the vehicles - a route to the closest point that foam/water can be successfully applied must be found before final tender / crash site closure attempted .
In all reality this will have happened very quickly ,but as this tragedy unfolded time must have almost stood still...as many of my colleagues have testified to that fact
I do not want to start a tit-for-tat posting thing here but having read your initial post,i think it was ,to me at least,a little insensitive as many people ,Ops,police,fire service etc. will have been deeply affected by that terrible day,and knowing some read this forum, 'your opinion'(and everyone has a right to one) may have appeared to infer to some,that BHX fire service MAY not have operated at their utmost professional and without speedy efficiency,which would be totally incorrect and without factual basis.
What's it got to do with me,an aircraft technician? My father was i/c the second airport tender on scene ,his wife was the watchroom officer who witnessed the incident and raised the alarms....both deeply affected by what they saw.
My sympathies to all the victims and their families and to all ground staff involved on that tragic weekend
Thirteen Twelve,i am glad you 'upper cased' the words 'APPEARED' & 'SEEMED' in your post otherwise some people may have got the wrong impression and may have thought your inferrence was that BHX fire service's response wasn't immeadiate and without professional application to the task.
The FACTS are that;
1)The fire station alarms & doors were activated 1 to 2 seconds post impact
2)The fire vehicles arrived at approx impact +1 minute
3)The perceived delay in applying the fire-fighting medium was,as you probably would agree 'one of those slow motion moments' but several things have to be considered -
a)a brief assessment of impact site prevailing wind etc for successful retardant application,vehicle /crew safety
b)fire crews would have to suit up in B.A kit
c)fire vehicles cannot charge up to the crash site and start dumping foam there and then as casualties may lie in the path of the vehicles - a route to the closest point that foam/water can be successfully applied must be found before final tender / crash site closure attempted .
In all reality this will have happened very quickly ,but as this tragedy unfolded time must have almost stood still...as many of my colleagues have testified to that fact
I do not want to start a tit-for-tat posting thing here but having read your initial post,i think it was ,to me at least,a little insensitive as many people ,Ops,police,fire service etc. will have been deeply affected by that terrible day,and knowing some read this forum, 'your opinion'(and everyone has a right to one) may have appeared to infer to some,that BHX fire service MAY not have operated at their utmost professional and without speedy efficiency,which would be totally incorrect and without factual basis.
What's it got to do with me,an aircraft technician? My father was i/c the second airport tender on scene ,his wife was the watchroom officer who witnessed the incident and raised the alarms....both deeply affected by what they saw.
My sympathies to all the victims and their families and to all ground staff involved on that tragic weekend
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Jetset Sparky, thank you for your detailed posting which I have acknowledged by editing, by addition my additional post. Any time is a long time to watch an aircraft on fire and obviously time passed slowly for me at the time of the accident. I have no regrets about my original posting and did indeed use upper case for the reasons you surmised. As an aside there is seperate thread running about the time it took Birmingham to re-open and perhaps that too, requires a better informed person than myself to respond.
