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sh!te. Exactly what level of federal agent should be allowed on the plane because his ID "gets him into the White House"?
Someone said earlier - a bag of orange doesn't travel without paperwork. Especially post Sept 11.
All you have done is invite pilots to wonder whether you would stand behind the pilots in the airline you want to run the way Don Carty has this time.
sh!te. Exactly what level of federal agent should be allowed on the plane because his ID "gets him into the White House"?
Someone said earlier - a bag of orange doesn't travel without paperwork. Especially post Sept 11.
All you have done is invite pilots to wonder whether you would stand behind the pilots in the airline you want to run the way Don Carty has this time.
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I hear what you are saying about racism, but post 911 has made us all racist. As far as I know there is no quicker method of making a "safety" judgment then "profiling" and that's racist. I suspect that everyone now notices any male that appears to hail from the middle east.
The Captain, IMHO had no choice in refusing to carry the secret service agent if he had even the slightest "safety" doubt. Indeed he would have remiss in his duties if he had done otherwise. The secret service agent was probably hired in the first place because of his size and ability to intimidate others in the course of his duties. If I had been the Captain, I too, would probably have felt threatened by the agents physical presence under these circumstances. The Captain was in a box, not all of his own doing, and took the smart safe way out....Deplane the agent for "safety" reasons....End of story.
The F/A's were spooked because of past events and probably could have handled the problem better. If the Captain had taken the agent, his crew probably would have been resentful and in the event of an emergency... Upset F/A's do not make for a good safety scenario. ...Something else he would have to consider.
As you well know, incident reports especially if they involve emotions, never tell the whole story...
No doubt that a out of court settlement will be reached but that's how big corporations always react. Its all very bottom line and politics.
Cheers..
I hear what you are saying about racism, but post 911 has made us all racist. As far as I know there is no quicker method of making a "safety" judgment then "profiling" and that's racist. I suspect that everyone now notices any male that appears to hail from the middle east.
The Captain, IMHO had no choice in refusing to carry the secret service agent if he had even the slightest "safety" doubt. Indeed he would have remiss in his duties if he had done otherwise. The secret service agent was probably hired in the first place because of his size and ability to intimidate others in the course of his duties. If I had been the Captain, I too, would probably have felt threatened by the agents physical presence under these circumstances. The Captain was in a box, not all of his own doing, and took the smart safe way out....Deplane the agent for "safety" reasons....End of story.
The F/A's were spooked because of past events and probably could have handled the problem better. If the Captain had taken the agent, his crew probably would have been resentful and in the event of an emergency... Upset F/A's do not make for a good safety scenario. ...Something else he would have to consider.
As you well know, incident reports especially if they involve emotions, never tell the whole story...
No doubt that a out of court settlement will be reached but that's how big corporations always react. Its all very bottom line and politics.
Cheers..
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Is anyone else wondering this: what would have happened if the Secret Service agent had said to the airport screeners, "Why are you worried about tweezers? I could crash the plane!"
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Can anyone honestly say that post 911, they would allow an arab looking man to board their plane with a gun after he'd not bothered to fill in his paperwork properly. Would you disregard your own concerns and command the aircraft confidently? Would you KNOW that it was ok, he's a good guy?
All this rubbish just because someone's feelings got hurt...
All this rubbish just because someone's feelings got hurt...
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To quote someone else on an AA pilot's board, "I'll be mad as heck if they were racially profiled." 
Secret Service agents suspended
3 sent from Games after allegations of threat, sexual assault
By Mike Brunker MSNBC
SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 15 — Three U.S. Secret Service agents have been suspended from duty after one or more of them reportedly threatened a hotel manager and sexually assaulted a woman during a rowdy party at a Provo motel a week before the opening of the Olympics. THE AGENTS, who were not identified, were immediately sent back to their offices in Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and then placed on administrative leave pending full investigation of the charges, Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin said Friday. All three are cooperating with police, Mackin said. Mackin and Michael Mower, a spokesman for the city of Provo, confirmed that the agents had been suspended and that a criminal investigation was under way, but both declined to detail the allegations against the trio. But the Salt Lake City Tribune reported Friday that one of the agents allegedly put a gun to the head of the hotel manager and threatened to kill him when the man arrived to investigate complaints that a noisy party was disturbing other guests. Four days later, a woman who attended the party alleged that one or more of the agents sexually assaulted her, the newspaper reported without identifying the source of the information. It also said the woman had given differing accounts of the incident to detectives. The Deseret News of Salt Lake City, quoting a source close to the investigation, reported that the incident may have involved underage girls to whom the agents supplied liquor. The manager of the hotel where the incident allegedly occurred, Casey Clement, was on vacation and could not be reached for comment early Friday. Desk clerk Jerry Chang told MSNBC.com that Clement had told him that he had been threatened by one or more Secret Service agents when he went to check on the party but did not say anything about having a gun put to his head. Provo police were expected to wrap up their investigation by next week and forward evidence to the Utah County attorney’s office, which will decide what, if any, charges will be filed. If the agents are charged, they also could face administrative discipline, said Mackin, the Secret Service spokesman. “The Secret Service has zero tolerance for improper behavior,” he said. “We are, however, waiting for all the facts to be determined.” Approximately 2,000 Secret Service agents are in the Salt Lake City region as part of the massive security force assembled to safeguard the Winter Olympics. The Secret Service, which concentrated on VIP protection during previous Olympics, took over as the lead federal agency in providing security for the Games as a result of a 1998 order signed by former President Bill Clinton, declaring them a “national special security event.” The FBI had served in that capacity during previous Olympics.
Secret Service agents suspended
3 sent from Games after allegations of threat, sexual assault
By Mike Brunker MSNBC
SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 15 — Three U.S. Secret Service agents have been suspended from duty after one or more of them reportedly threatened a hotel manager and sexually assaulted a woman during a rowdy party at a Provo motel a week before the opening of the Olympics. THE AGENTS, who were not identified, were immediately sent back to their offices in Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and then placed on administrative leave pending full investigation of the charges, Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin said Friday. All three are cooperating with police, Mackin said. Mackin and Michael Mower, a spokesman for the city of Provo, confirmed that the agents had been suspended and that a criminal investigation was under way, but both declined to detail the allegations against the trio. But the Salt Lake City Tribune reported Friday that one of the agents allegedly put a gun to the head of the hotel manager and threatened to kill him when the man arrived to investigate complaints that a noisy party was disturbing other guests. Four days later, a woman who attended the party alleged that one or more of the agents sexually assaulted her, the newspaper reported without identifying the source of the information. It also said the woman had given differing accounts of the incident to detectives. The Deseret News of Salt Lake City, quoting a source close to the investigation, reported that the incident may have involved underage girls to whom the agents supplied liquor. The manager of the hotel where the incident allegedly occurred, Casey Clement, was on vacation and could not be reached for comment early Friday. Desk clerk Jerry Chang told MSNBC.com that Clement had told him that he had been threatened by one or more Secret Service agents when he went to check on the party but did not say anything about having a gun put to his head. Provo police were expected to wrap up their investigation by next week and forward evidence to the Utah County attorney’s office, which will decide what, if any, charges will be filed. If the agents are charged, they also could face administrative discipline, said Mackin, the Secret Service spokesman. “The Secret Service has zero tolerance for improper behavior,” he said. “We are, however, waiting for all the facts to be determined.” Approximately 2,000 Secret Service agents are in the Salt Lake City region as part of the massive security force assembled to safeguard the Winter Olympics. The Secret Service, which concentrated on VIP protection during previous Olympics, took over as the lead federal agency in providing security for the Games as a result of a 1998 order signed by former President Bill Clinton, declaring them a “national special security event.” The FBI had served in that capacity during previous Olympics.
