Ash clouds threaten air traffic
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From: southampton
Well, there we go, KLM starts flying commercially tonight. No passengers, only freight, but still. According to the CEO European airspace is safe with the exception of parts between Iceland and Russia.
Hope the rest follows soon
Hope the rest follows soon
NATS and the other ANSP's don't want this to continue as much as the airlines don't. They are losing money by the day aswell. Its silly for anyone to suggest otherwise. They restricted the airspace on the basis of what science there is and the met data available. Its not their fault that there is very little science available. The countries that do regularly deal with volcanos and ash clouds haven't done any because they have the available airspace to fly round them, which isn't possible in western europe. And there is no data availble on how ash affects jet engines because no research has ever been done beyond very basic stuff in response to previous incidents. Noone knows how dense or big the particles have to be in order to stop an engine, they only know that it can happen.
All the ANSP's went for the safest possible cause of action based on the information that they had, which is the whole point of of the ANSP, to provide the safest possible air traffic service they can. It is then up to the regulators, CAA, ICAO, etc and the various governments to decide when it is safe to fly.
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From: Europe
The KLM flights departure from Amsterdam, destination was not mentioned on the news. All three are freight flights departing in daylight, as permitted by the Dutch authorities.
Yeah, the KLM CEO might have a biased view. One however supported maybe by testflights of more than ten of his own aircraft and many more European airlines.
Yeah, the KLM CEO might have a biased view. One however supported maybe by testflights of more than ten of his own aircraft and many more European airlines.
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From: Somewhere else
Looking at the Raderbox there are currently a few aircraft testing the skies.
BAW9156 GCIVC over South Wales at 30000ft
HLX2262 DATUK 738 EDDF-LEMH at 38000ft
HLX113 DAHFI 738 over Holland at 41000ft
TUIFLY111 738 DAHFP over Northern France at 41000ft
AFR383S 773 FGQSD Heading toward Paris at 24000ft
DCALM is also up again in the UK
BAW9156 GCIVC over South Wales at 30000ft
HLX2262 DATUK 738 EDDF-LEMH at 38000ft
HLX113 DAHFI 738 over Holland at 41000ft
TUIFLY111 738 DAHFP over Northern France at 41000ft
AFR383S 773 FGQSD Heading toward Paris at 24000ft
DCALM is also up again in the UK
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From: Southern Shores of Old Lusitania Kingdom
Yeap....but when all things start to be more cool, take a look at this from the very last hours »»»
Órói á stöðvum við Eyjafjallajökul
Really hope only a passing hiccup..
Órói á stöðvum við Eyjafjallajökul
Really hope only a passing hiccup..
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From: Norway
Hi!
All of Norway will probably be open in a couple of hours time.(Westcoast and mid/north already open)
SAS have scheduled some flights from US to Oslo, arriving in morning.
IAD, EWR allready scheduled and probably aircrafts at ORD will come too.
Guess also more intercontinental flights bound for i.e Stockholm, Copenhagen probably will use Oslo as alternate. Anyone know something abouth this?
Looks good for a whole day of full ops in Norway tomorrow, with closure again next day probably.
Reagrds
Final Vectors
Oslo APP
All of Norway will probably be open in a couple of hours time.(Westcoast and mid/north already open)
SAS have scheduled some flights from US to Oslo, arriving in morning.
IAD, EWR allready scheduled and probably aircrafts at ORD will come too.
Guess also more intercontinental flights bound for i.e Stockholm, Copenhagen probably will use Oslo as alternate. Anyone know something abouth this?
Looks good for a whole day of full ops in Norway tomorrow, with closure again next day probably.
Reagrds
Final Vectors
Oslo APP
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From: In the Chalfonts
News Conference outside 10 Downing St.
News conference outside 10 Downing St has just finished.
Lord Adonis stated that no flights will be made in next 24 hours in UK airspace (other than the test flights).
Lord Mandelson also spoke & stated that Gordon Brown will be talking to his opposite number in Spain tonight with a plan to set-up an "air-bridge" via Madrid Airport to help facilitate bringing back stranded passengers, then transfer from there back to UK by train, coach or ferry.
Lord Adonis stated that no flights will be made in next 24 hours in UK airspace (other than the test flights).
Lord Mandelson also spoke & stated that Gordon Brown will be talking to his opposite number in Spain tonight with a plan to set-up an "air-bridge" via Madrid Airport to help facilitate bringing back stranded passengers, then transfer from there back to UK by train, coach or ferry.