Flybe Embraer Incident @ Jersey
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Flybe Embraer Incident @ Jersey
Plane pieces fell on runway News This Is Jersey
The article in the paper stated it as a Flybe aircraft which I know happened to be an Embraer. Happened last week when the a/c departed after dark on a ferry flight, there were approximately 6-7 movements before the debris was discovered which turned out to be large pieces of the engine cowling. The a/c had been worked on by engineers before hand.
The article in the paper stated it as a Flybe aircraft which I know happened to be an Embraer. Happened last week when the a/c departed after dark on a ferry flight, there were approximately 6-7 movements before the debris was discovered which turned out to be large pieces of the engine cowling. The a/c had been worked on by engineers before hand.
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Happened over a week ago.
The crew didn't notice anything until another aircraft passing them as they taxied in at Birmingham piped up that part of the engine cowling was missing. Tracing back down the route prompted contact with Jersey ATC, who had found part of an unidentified cowling on the runway. Time from departing Jersey to landing in Birmingham must have been what, 40 mins?
But then, why would anyone perform anything other than routine runway inspections if no-one has reported anything untoward? Therefore it's perfectly possible for something to remain undetected in the darkness for some time.
The crew didn't notice anything until another aircraft passing them as they taxied in at Birmingham piped up that part of the engine cowling was missing. Tracing back down the route prompted contact with Jersey ATC, who had found part of an unidentified cowling on the runway. Time from departing Jersey to landing in Birmingham must have been what, 40 mins?
But then, why would anyone perform anything other than routine runway inspections if no-one has reported anything untoward? Therefore it's perfectly possible for something to remain undetected in the darkness for some time.
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There is an issue as to why the pieces fell off, the a/c had a single system hydraulic failure on the previous flight which resulted in the loss of nose wheel steering. While this in itself is not a huge problem, the engineers did subsequently inspect the a/c and allegedly performed some work on one of the engines...........
There is an issue as to why the pieces fell off, the a/c had a single system hydraulic failure on the previous flight which resulted in the loss of nose wheel steering. While this in itself is not a huge problem, the engineers did subsequently inspect the a/c and allegedly performed some work on one of the engines...........
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Yup, that's the Barbie for you, (barbiesboyfriend) guess you are looking forward to moving back to simplicity again, as I am towards the end of this year.
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Well that kind of human error happens and fortunately the aircraft has a degree of tolerance. Adding in the risk of another aircraft taking off striking it is another higher level risk.
So... I have lots of additional questions, but I'll let the NTSB handle it.
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There is an issue as to why the pieces fell off, the a/c had a single system hydraulic failure on the previous flight which resulted in the loss of nose wheel steering. While this in itself is not a huge problem, the engineers did subsequently inspect the a/c and allegedly performed some work on one of the engines...........
There is an issue as to why the pieces fell off, the a/c had a single system hydraulic failure on the previous flight which resulted in the loss of nose wheel steering. While this in itself is not a huge problem, the engineers did subsequently inspect the a/c and allegedly performed some work on one of the engines...........
So... I have lots of additional questions, but I'll let the NTSB handle it.
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The issue is not why the pieces fell off. It's why the runway debris went unreported so long.
I guess this will be discussed in any accident/incident report, but what are Jersey's runway inspection procedures? (The most important issue not yet discussed)
Where was the cowling on the runway - to the side, in the grass, in the middle?
How many aircraft departed after the Embraer? (see previous question, suggests that the cowling wasn't in a "dangerous" position).
But even those aside, what about the engineering inspection/supervision, crew inspection before flight? Though I don't think the crew inspection would have changed things here at all unless it was something very obvious and in flight I assume that the missing cowling had no effect (vibrations?)...
Interesting website and article here Debris Danger and here FODNews.com Mission
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So... I have lots of additional questions, but I'll let the NTSB handle it.
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Allegedly the pilots did notice a vibration on departure but didn't think anything of it as it stopped. Not sure on what part of the runway the pieces were found but it was after dark, previously mentioned that there were approximately 6 movements of varying a/c size before it was found.
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I guess this will be discussed in any accident/incident report, but what are Jersey's runway inspection procedures? (The most important issue not yet discussed)
This might sound surprising but debris or other problems were quickly reported by pilots using the runway, either because it was something odd that happened to the aircraft or because something was seen. Short of carrying out an inspection before/after every movement, it's probably not a bad system.
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Let me put you a case ....
It is dark. An aircraft takes off, and departs normally, and says nothing to ATC. Does anyone seriously expect ATC to carry out a runway inspection on that basis? Should ATC do that after every routine, "no problem" departure?
FFS, get real people.
[BTW, for the benefit of our American friends, "New Jersey" is so called because those lands in America were given to George de Carteret by King Charles II, in thanks for his support for the Monarchy during the English Civil War.
Just thought I'd mention that - I have to explain it all the time when I'm in the USA 
It is dark. An aircraft takes off, and departs normally, and says nothing to ATC. Does anyone seriously expect ATC to carry out a runway inspection on that basis? Should ATC do that after every routine, "no problem" departure?
FFS, get real people.
[BTW, for the benefit of our American friends, "New Jersey" is so called because those lands in America were given to George de Carteret by King Charles II, in thanks for his support for the Monarchy during the English Civil War.
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It was granted as a colony to Sir George Carteret and John Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley of Stratton. At this time, it was named after the largest of the British Channel Islands, Jersey.
