FAA withdraws flightcrew duty, rest NPRM

[Piripi]

They need to put some limits on commuting. Maybe no more than a 2-3hour commute. That would prevent people going coast to coast and then going on duty.

I heard recently of a Republic FO commuting from Honolulu to New York and going to work after. Fatige, maybe it doesnt apply to them since they fly 70 pax or 99 for the price of 50.

[AirRabbit]

Originally Posted by Piripi

They need to put some limits on commuting. Maybe no more than a 2-3hour commute. That would prevent people going coast to coast and then going on duty.
I heard recently of a Republic FO commuting from Honolulu to New York and going to work after. Fatige, maybe it doesnt apply to them since they fly 70 pax or 99 for the price of 50.

The problem is that in cities like New York, Washington DC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angles, etc., living more than 5 miles from the airport could easily result in 2-3 hour commutes in rush hour traffic. So if you move that up to 4-5 hour commutes ... you're right back to living in Phoenix and commuting to New York - unless the restriction is placed on the commuting means; like roller skates, 10-speed bicycle, etc. However, then you'd get into the physical liabilities and exhaustion just prior to flight. Maybe we could require that flight crews spend the 10 hours immediately prior to flight INSIDE the terminal from which they will depart? No, wait. That would likely raise issues about noise and other such rest/sleep deprivational issues. Or ... maybe we could just shut up and let professionals do what they think best - and if the professional shows up drunk, half-asleep, or on drugs ... we simply point out the severance pay window.

[be1900]

do you own an airline?

[AirRabbit]

Originally Posted by be1900

do you own an airline?

No. I don't. And, from that question I would gather that you don't think very highly of my suggestion to let the guys flying the machines make up their own minds about what constitutes rest? I was trying to point out the futility of putting together a regulation that will adequately address the issue of rest. Requiring crewmembers to reside in the city from which they will depart on a flight or series of flights does nothing to ensure the crewmembers are adequately rested. Similarly, limiting the time to commute to the airport from which a crewmember will depart on a flight or series of flights does nothing to ensure that crewmember is adequately rested. The same thing holds for drinking and flying - most regulations say 12 hours between bottle and throttle ... some are as thin as 8 hours. Those regulations don't seem to prevent the problem of crewmembers showing up when "under the influence." Detecting when someone is inebriated is a lot easier than detecting when someone is fatigued or ill-rested - and I would submit that the recent instances when a crewmember was suspicioned as being inebriated on their way to the airplane are not the only times when a crewmember has shown up in that state. What test could be envisioned to identify "lack of rest?" Therefore, my suggestion ... due to the inherent futility, I suggest we back away from the fervent intent to find a regulation that will work, and let the ones who want to "press-to-test" the system, show up drunk or flat out exhausted, fire the jerk, and let the existing rules and regulations, as interpreted by the legal system, work their collective wonders.

[wilyflier]

Time and date confusion

What happened to Air rabbits post at 7.47 this morning?
Shown on the index, nothing today on the actual thread ?
It may have been Schillings post , but missing anyway
Moderater delete this , its only in passing ,there seem to be a lot of odd computer crashes on pPruNe