United pilot arrested at LHR
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AnthonyGA is not a pilot, he's a flight-sim enthusiast.
Step back and listen??
No chance.
Check out his posting history.
P.S. AnthonyGA....have to say that you seem to have some deep seated anger against pilots, alcohol, and possibly other issues. Please step back and LISTEN if you have such little insight into the job. Thanks, mate.
Step back and listen??
No chance.
Check out his posting history.
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Come on people it is always possible for the smell of beer to linger on the breath even if legal to fly. Protect yourself from all the hasel. One extra strong mint before leaving hotel room.
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Alpineskier: I can tell you why UA staff would choose to call the cops on the alcohol-smelling pilot rather than take some other course
Should the groundstaff also call the police when a pilot is fatigued ??
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I am a PPL. I would not dream of flying less than 12 hours after a single unit of alcohol.
I may think I am the greatest pilot and able to disregard the rule, but it sure shows up when I try to play the piano after a drink! There goes the coordination right out the window. Of course flying a plane is much simpler than playing a Beethoven sonata, unless everything goes pearshaped.....
I may think I am the greatest pilot and able to disregard the rule, but it sure shows up when I try to play the piano after a drink! There goes the coordination right out the window. Of course flying a plane is much simpler than playing a Beethoven sonata, unless everything goes pearshaped.....
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Oh, gosh, here we go again. A bunch of armchair pilots, trying, convicting, and sentencing someone before all the facts come to hand.
Now, maybe you are the best pilot ever on some **** programme on your PC, but you're not an airline pilot. You didn't have to be down route, when your mum was dying of cancer, with a bunch of strangers, or when your marriage was playing up, or your kid fell ill, and you could do nothing about it, except hear grief from the other end of the telephone, 6000 miles away.
But I guess we should all be grateful, because we're not some sad tit like AntonyGA, and have human failings. So much easier on a PC isn't it? I'm guessing the PC programmes don't factor those bits in, or the fatigue, early starts, and jetlag. No doubt the mighty AnthonyGA could cope though, without recourse to drugs.
Give the guy a break. He hasn't killed anyone - no one has in commercial aviation, as far as I know, due alcohol - he may have overstepped the mark, or maybe he hasn't. The last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed armchair specialists telling us how to do things. If you want that, do the whole job, not just the 6 o'clock stint at your PC before your dinner.
I'm not advocating any pilot turning up drunk for work (I love that term - they're not even over the legal drive limit, but it's "drunk pilot" all round), but at the same time, the puritanical attitude of some on this website is annoying.
At the end of the day (or night), you end up on the other side of the World, with a bunch of strangers. Funnily enough, you agree to meet in the bar. It's what strangers tend to do, if they are in the least bit sociable. Or maybe they should just stay in their room, and hang themselves (has happened), or just drink orange juice, and praise the Lord how lucky they are to be on the other side of the World, whilst their Mum is in hospital, or their wife is seeing Leroy?
Maybe we should settle this once and for all, and just have the pious teetotal gimps, who've never even left their own bedrooms fly airliners around the skies, and then see how safe it is.
Now, maybe you are the best pilot ever on some **** programme on your PC, but you're not an airline pilot. You didn't have to be down route, when your mum was dying of cancer, with a bunch of strangers, or when your marriage was playing up, or your kid fell ill, and you could do nothing about it, except hear grief from the other end of the telephone, 6000 miles away.
But I guess we should all be grateful, because we're not some sad tit like AntonyGA, and have human failings. So much easier on a PC isn't it? I'm guessing the PC programmes don't factor those bits in, or the fatigue, early starts, and jetlag. No doubt the mighty AnthonyGA could cope though, without recourse to drugs.
Give the guy a break. He hasn't killed anyone - no one has in commercial aviation, as far as I know, due alcohol - he may have overstepped the mark, or maybe he hasn't. The last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed armchair specialists telling us how to do things. If you want that, do the whole job, not just the 6 o'clock stint at your PC before your dinner.
I'm not advocating any pilot turning up drunk for work (I love that term - they're not even over the legal drive limit, but it's "drunk pilot" all round), but at the same time, the puritanical attitude of some on this website is annoying.
At the end of the day (or night), you end up on the other side of the World, with a bunch of strangers. Funnily enough, you agree to meet in the bar. It's what strangers tend to do, if they are in the least bit sociable. Or maybe they should just stay in their room, and hang themselves (has happened), or just drink orange juice, and praise the Lord how lucky they are to be on the other side of the World, whilst their Mum is in hospital, or their wife is seeing Leroy?
Maybe we should settle this once and for all, and just have the pious teetotal gimps, who've never even left their own bedrooms fly airliners around the skies, and then see how safe it is.
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Now, maybe you are the best pilot ever on some **** programme on your PC, but you're not an airline pilot. You didn't have to be down route, when your mum was dying of cancer, with a bunch of strangers, or when your marriage was playing up, or your kid fell ill, and you could do nothing about it, except hear grief from the other end of the telephone, 6000 miles away.
I'm not advocating any pilot turning up drunk for work (I love that term - they're not even over the legal drive limit, but it's "drunk pilot" all round), but at the same time, the puritanical attitude of some on this website is annoying.
The system worked that removed him from the cockpit. If it's a one time occurance I hope he can get help and salvage his career,
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There are times when we need to refer to past wisdom on this forum, and this is one of those times:
http://www.pprune.org/non-airline-tr...ml#post3636804
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...ml#post3236141
http://www.pprune.org/non-airline-tr...ml#post3636804
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...ml#post3236141
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You didn't have to be down route, when your mum was dying of cancer, with a bunch of strangers, or when your marriage was playing up, or your kid fell ill, and you could do nothing about it, except hear grief from the other end of the telephone, 6000 miles away.
If you have done the job, it will hit the mark. If you have never flown longhaul, you will not begin to understand or appreciate the above.
And before the PC Pilot brigade, armchair morning after perfect holier than though attempt to lynch me. I am not trying to defend flying under the influence of Alcohol. Just direct a light into the darker crevice of living in a hotel bedroom. Year after year after year.
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.02 blood alcohol?
If he only blew .02, what's the problem?
You can blow .02 with a teaspoon of Expectorant.
Anyone?
If he only blew .02, what's the problem?
You can blow .02 with a teaspoon of Expectorant.
Anyone?
Another example of the nanny state taking away personal responsibility and replacing it with limits, so that it can claim it has the problem under control; it doesn't!
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If he only blew .02, what's the problem?
The problem is violation of the law and his contract.
Realisticlly if he had a beer or glass of wine that morning I doubt he'd be impaired. However it's far more likely he tied one on big time the night before. His drunkeness 12 hrs earlier would have been quite severe. It's likely he was either still drunk or had a massive hangover.
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If he did not drink within 12 hours, did not blow .04 or more, and did not show up "under the effects of alcohol" (with a "hangover"), he did NOT violate EITHER his company regs OR the regs under which he flies in his home country. However, he apparently DID violate the regs in Britain, which are clearly stricter than those in the U.S.
Not advocating that what he is alleged to have done is laudable, nor am I willing to bury him over a bunch of news tidbits!
As for those of you who are not major airline pilots, flying 15-18 days per month (at least 10 hotels per month), missing birthdays, holidays, family events, family deaths, family weddings, flying tired, hungry, etc, etc... then PLEASE be judicious in your comments. Until you have walked a mile.....
P.S. Thanks, Bronx, for the heads up on AnthonyGA. Title says it all!!
If he did not drink within 12 hours, did not blow .04 or more, and did not show up "under the effects of alcohol" (with a "hangover"), he did NOT violate EITHER his company regs OR the regs under which he flies in his home country. However, he apparently DID violate the regs in Britain, which are clearly stricter than those in the U.S.
Not advocating that what he is alleged to have done is laudable, nor am I willing to bury him over a bunch of news tidbits!
As for those of you who are not major airline pilots, flying 15-18 days per month (at least 10 hotels per month), missing birthdays, holidays, family events, family deaths, family weddings, flying tired, hungry, etc, etc... then PLEASE be judicious in your comments. Until you have walked a mile.....
P.S. Thanks, Bronx, for the heads up on AnthonyGA. Title says it all!!
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It's time to reclaim back the right image
We, Pilots, have lost control of our public image and it's time we reclaim back the right image. It will be difficult to attain this as long as we continuously discuss cockpit incidents with enmity. Certainly, discussions that go astray don't really help reclaim back the right image.
This pilot (the captain?) went unconscious for some reason and the other pilot (copilot?) landed the plane. At least the plane flew back to base and landed safely.
So, what has this incident got to do with the hiring policy in this industry
We can only reclaim back the right image by fostering the right perspectives.
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This pilot (the captain?) went unconscious for some reason and the other pilot (copilot?) landed the plane. At least the plane flew back to base and landed safely.
So, what has this incident got to do with the hiring policy in this industry
We can only reclaim back the right image by fostering the right perspectives.
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Another opinion
Everyone I am a new comer to this site and have an opinion and it is this wait for the facts it really does stop you looking stupid when they emerge but there again everyone is entitled to their opinion just some of us base this on as much factual information as possible and dont assasinate a colleague without the salient FACTS
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I find your post astonishing to be frank. We all have problems and have to deal with them, but thankfully most of us don't have to fly 100 plus passengers around the world. Please give us your airline, routes etc so I can avoid them. (I know you won't of course).
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The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
"Contributors" like DoubleSix, who are not pro pilots, have no place on this site. But they, and their much better-qualified PPL expert colleagues, insist on spouting forth. As they feel entitled to do.
We who do the job know much, much better.
And the UK law is an ass, again.
"Contributors" like DoubleSix, who are not pro pilots, have no place on this site. But they, and their much better-qualified PPL expert colleagues, insist on spouting forth. As they feel entitled to do.
We who do the job know much, much better.
And the UK law is an ass, again.
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I find your post astonishing to be frank. We all have problems and have to deal with them, but thankfully most of us don't have to fly 100 plus passengers around the world. Please give us your airline, routes etc so I can avoid them. (I know you won't of course).
Best fly with someone else then. I never advocated drunk flying, but was merely trying to shine a light, and be empathetic. What a waste of time.
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What does being pro pilot have to do with this? If the pilot was over the prescribed limit, end of argument. Same as the drink drive limit, you are over the limit or not.
As far as the quote, 'Give the guy a break. He hasn't killed anyone - no one has in commercial aviation, as far as I know, due alcohol - he may have overstepped the mark, or maybe he hasn't. comment, well so lucky public.
As I said previously, we all have problems and have to deal with them however hard. If you are half way around the world doing your chosen job, surely it must come with the territory?
As far as the quote, 'Give the guy a break. He hasn't killed anyone - no one has in commercial aviation, as far as I know, due alcohol - he may have overstepped the mark, or maybe he hasn't. comment, well so lucky public.
As I said previously, we all have problems and have to deal with them however hard. If you are half way around the world doing your chosen job, surely it must come with the territory?
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So from your point of you slickster, it's a case of "tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner"? I suppose you would deny it, but that's sure how you're coming across in this thread.
Is it not part of being a professional, in any profession (such as my own, not a commercial pilot), to behave to certain standards regardless of the pressures that are brought to bear (financial, personal, whatever)? Drinking to excess because of some personal problem or distance from home - what a load of cobblers. Perhaps neurosurgeons should reconsider their attitude towards drinking and operating as well ......
Your nasty attacks on others just trying to express their opinion don't reflect well IMHO. I don't care how many routes you've flown on how many airlines. I'm no wannabe, you can keep your splendid profession (it's every bit as screwed up as my own has been for some time
and my investment in it was considerably greater).
I greatly respect what you do and wish you good day Cap'n. Neither of us are gonna fix the problems with the world, which aren't getting any better. Now where's that bottle of Gordon's ......
Is it not part of being a professional, in any profession (such as my own, not a commercial pilot), to behave to certain standards regardless of the pressures that are brought to bear (financial, personal, whatever)? Drinking to excess because of some personal problem or distance from home - what a load of cobblers. Perhaps neurosurgeons should reconsider their attitude towards drinking and operating as well ......
Your nasty attacks on others just trying to express their opinion don't reflect well IMHO. I don't care how many routes you've flown on how many airlines. I'm no wannabe, you can keep your splendid profession (it's every bit as screwed up as my own has been for some time
and my investment in it was considerably greater).I greatly respect what you do and wish you good day Cap'n. Neither of us are gonna fix the problems with the world, which aren't getting any better. Now where's that bottle of Gordon's ......