Stansted Swiss engine fire
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will take a while to repair i guess, shipping an engine from chocco land, is inflite doing the repairs or will a repair team go out?
1 day for the engine change then out on the piss in stortford for the lads if they make it over here.
getting to stansted from lcy or lhr is a pain though
1 day for the engine change then out on the piss in stortford for the lads if they make it over here.
getting to stansted from lcy or lhr is a pain though
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Bring Another engine
PSA, Pacific Southwest Airlines, with a fleet of 24 BAe 146-200, became so adept at changing engines they could do it in 45 minutes. The had #4 aft section explode one night, sending shrapnel into the full cabin, without hitting anybody. Pax were kicking the hot pieces around as the pieces were scorching the carpet.
In about 1996, Aviacsa, out of Merida, Yucatan, Mexico, had #3 explode. Shrapnel from it killed #4, which cut off fuel to #1 & #2. They landed deadstick at night at Campeche, which has no airline service.
This Lycoming engine started life as a tank or marine engine, was upgraded to helicopter service, then converted to the ALF-502 for use on the Canadair Challenger and the BAe.
It has just one accessory pad, so two engines on the 146 have generators, and the other two have hyd pumps. Part of the drawback, I understand, is the shared oil supply between the engine and accessory case. Contamination of one damages the other. It's like having the engine and automatic transmission in your car share a common oil supply. I don't believe that's been done since the Model T Ford ended production in 1927.
There was one of the heli versions for sale on ebay recently, coupled to a hydrostatic transmission and sporting a Ford Model T body. The guy had never driven it, so it was a rolling science project.
GB
In about 1996, Aviacsa, out of Merida, Yucatan, Mexico, had #3 explode. Shrapnel from it killed #4, which cut off fuel to #1 & #2. They landed deadstick at night at Campeche, which has no airline service.
This Lycoming engine started life as a tank or marine engine, was upgraded to helicopter service, then converted to the ALF-502 for use on the Canadair Challenger and the BAe.
It has just one accessory pad, so two engines on the 146 have generators, and the other two have hyd pumps. Part of the drawback, I understand, is the shared oil supply between the engine and accessory case. Contamination of one damages the other. It's like having the engine and automatic transmission in your car share a common oil supply. I don't believe that's been done since the Model T Ford ended production in 1927.
There was one of the heli versions for sale on ebay recently, coupled to a hydrostatic transmission and sporting a Ford Model T body. The guy had never driven it, so it was a rolling science project.
GB
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Bird strike from behind?
Does the 146 have de-icing equipment on the trailing edges for the fast moving cold fronts? I used to fly a Cessna slowtation. The US navy at one point ordered 50 of them, then had to cancel the order since the plane was unable to catch the aircraft carrier.
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45 mins engine change... yeah right, in what dream world! 
not a chance to change it in 45 mins, average time is 2.5- 3 hours with a good team.
so 2 engines needed - bird strike in both or is is a case of another IXU "lightning strike" ? cough cough
not a chance to change it in 45 mins, average time is 2.5- 3 hours with a good team.
so 2 engines needed - bird strike in both or is is a case of another IXU "lightning strike" ? cough cough
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Two of our staff were on the flight going to Cameroon via Zurich. Reckon it was well handled and ground staff were fairly amazing - nothing too much trouble. They were offered cars home and back next day or the offer of the next flight to Zurich and overnight accommodation. Refreshing change.
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5th engine
Hey, everyone forgot about the APU, that must put out at least half a horsepower through the exhaust (half a horsepower = 1 ponypower ? 
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146 = 5 APU's in close formation
there's nothing to replace it though & it's good ol' ship in my book plus it's British
they don't build em' like that anymore
)146 = 5 APU's in close formation
there's nothing to replace it though & it's good ol' ship in my book plus it's British
they don't build em' like that anymore
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Quote: "The 146 just about flies with 4 engines running ..."
As an ex-146 driver, I have to agree. Embarrassing climb performance when hot and heavy.
But.....in the rare event of an engine out landing away from main servicing base, at light weight, it could be ferried with three engines. Now of course, with a twin, you can’t ferry with one engine already out of action. So don’t laugh TOO much about the 146. It has its good points.
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As an ex-146 driver, I have to agree. Embarrassing climb performance when hot and heavy.
But.....in the rare event of an engine out landing away from main servicing base, at light weight, it could be ferried with three engines. Now of course, with a twin, you can’t ferry with one engine already out of action. So don’t laugh TOO much about the 146. It has its good points.
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No space for more engines
Back in the pterodactyl days, making my first flight as non-Rev SLF on a 146 between LHR and EDI I asked the flight crew : "Why the heck does this thing have four engines?' The reply I got was: "Because the wings don't have room for a fifth and sixth one."
Since then I have been very leery of this aircraft.
Since then I have been very leery of this aircraft.
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Yet another 146 Emergenecy at STN
Tonight 03/11/09 at about 1740 fire crews attending yet another
146 at STN this time sporting BA colours take it yet another LCY diversion.
Reason for diversion/Emergency unknown, any ideas
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146 at STN this time sporting BA colours take it yet another LCY diversion.
Reason for diversion/Emergency unknown, any ideas
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Was on a turnaround in STN today as the aircraft was landing. THe crew stated that they had an anomalous indication regarding the position of the nose wheel. Aircraft landed without incident. Listening to crew on the tower frequency, all very calm and collected.
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I think it was several birds as the pictures are of the No 3 and No 4 engine.
As it was just after t/o, I think it is safe to assume they were both a tad above idle.
Fair play to the crew for dealing with a tricky situation.
As it was just after t/o, I think it is safe to assume they were both a tad above idle.
Fair play to the crew for dealing with a tricky situation.
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Given that it had a double engine bird strike, resulting in the loss of one engine completely and presumably less than optimal thrust in the second and still managed to climb out and land safely at STN, I would have thought the climb performance could be described as 'adequate'.
It would be interesting to consider how an E Jet would have coped in a similar situation.
'I'am going for the Thames'
It would be interesting to consider how an E Jet would have coped in a similar situation.
'I'am going for the Thames'