CX sack 49 via DHL; impose new contract
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Maxalt, how can you sit there and gloat at the misfortune of other pilots - your peer group. The situation is no different to you being sacked and being replaced by a wannabe with less experience and ability. I doubt you would be smirking then.
Next time you contribute to this discussion please have the courtesy to engage whatever brain cells you may have and consider the implications this dispute has for all of us.
Next time you contribute to this discussion please have the courtesy to engage whatever brain cells you may have and consider the implications this dispute has for all of us.
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CX pilots, take care of your health because your company will fire you if you are sick and unfit to fly. CX just fired 49 that are sick. If you are sick but decided to go to work, CX will fire you because you contravene the ANO. Good luck with you health. 
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Wow maxalt!! that's very....blunt, anyway going to hkg, would certainly be shortsighted, as anybody who does so would most certainly be subjected to the same treatment in the future..if they pull it off once, they most certainly will do it again..don't there will be any loyalty to those who might go there as a replacement pilot if they will sack senior pilots...anybody is fair game...
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"It's just like '89 again" is the cry. By that I assume you refer to a period when a bunch of overpaid whingers from Downunder engineered a fruitless and ultimately disasterous strike that got them nowhere (except into other peoples jobs overseas). Now the same guys are in Cathay and causing the same trouble. Will the outcome be the same - I just hope the rest of the hard working and modestly paid pilot community don't have to suffer the consequences of hundreds of Ozmates roaming the world in search of our jobs as in the post '89 days.
Just in case some of you think my post a little harsh, would anyone from CX care to post the average monthly takehome for a mid ranking B777 skipper - then we can all make a judgement as to the validity of these "A Scale" type payrise demands.
Just in case some of you think my post a little harsh, would anyone from CX care to post the average monthly takehome for a mid ranking B777 skipper - then we can all make a judgement as to the validity of these "A Scale" type payrise demands.
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maxalt...."all hat and no horse" ... or is it "Big mouth = Little Brain" ahhhh whatever. Frankly I do not see what you are complaining about, you were used to being shafted at your little public school .. non?
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In view of the mass sackings starting at CX and the alleged introduction of mainland equipment and crews, is it time to whip up support so that CX aeroplanes that do go abroad might not get back to HKG? Blacking used to be an effective tool, and if handling is done by other airlines abroad, then that is the way to prevent strike breaking.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
all in all, no real surprises...if Tony is confident, let him go ahead and sack the lot.
If everything goes "to (the Turnbull/Tyler) plan" and follows the Aussie 1989 format, the pilots will cave in after 8 months..CX will offer (at least) a 50% salary INcrease over the HKAOA's original ambit...and CX will wallow in the doldrums for the next 10-12 years, as Ansett has done!
Remember, in 1989 there were 4 - FOUR - airlines who entered the "Dispute" - East-West, IPEC, TAA, and Ansett.
ONE "survived" - Ansett - and IT is struggling to eek an existence!!
A 75% FAILURE rate is NOT a good foundation upon which to base future/current industrial "wars"!!
If everything goes "to (the Turnbull/Tyler) plan" and follows the Aussie 1989 format, the pilots will cave in after 8 months..CX will offer (at least) a 50% salary INcrease over the HKAOA's original ambit...and CX will wallow in the doldrums for the next 10-12 years, as Ansett has done!
Remember, in 1989 there were 4 - FOUR - airlines who entered the "Dispute" - East-West, IPEC, TAA, and Ansett.
ONE "survived" - Ansett - and IT is struggling to eek an existence!!
A 75% FAILURE rate is NOT a good foundation upon which to base future/current industrial "wars"!!
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Well hey, what comes around goes around.
Maybe some of our sad colleagues in Aer Lingus might be glad of your jobs too...their crummy little company is going down faster than a lead balloon. Serves the smug b'stards right too. As far as I'm concerned you CX guys are just like those ALT guys...looking down on us 'budget types' as being rubbish and yet expecting our support in your exorbitant pay claims. Get real. it's reality check time.
Your all going to feel the pinch.
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Maybe some of our sad colleagues in Aer Lingus might be glad of your jobs too...their crummy little company is going down faster than a lead balloon. Serves the smug b'stards right too. As far as I'm concerned you CX guys are just like those ALT guys...looking down on us 'budget types' as being rubbish and yet expecting our support in your exorbitant pay claims. Get real. it's reality check time.
Your all going to feel the pinch.
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The AOA really do need to get their PR machine out and running. This little quote is in a piece in both the New York Times and the International Herald Tribune:
Invest in some proper PR and get the misinformed journalists updated on salaries and even more importantly working conditions otherwise you will find yourselves increasingly isolated. The journalists have obviously been fed this cr@p by the Cathay bosses and they love it because it makes 'exciting' reading. We all know that the press never let the truth get in the way of a good story so wise up and give them something to use on your own behalf. War is always dirty.
Cathay Pacific's rocky relations with its pilots may seem odd, given that they are among the best paid in the world. A senior captain can earn more than $450,000; many are British or Australian expatriates.
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I think any pilot on this board who bashes a Cathay pilot should get his head examined. Being a pilot and a devout unionist goes hand in hand. We're all in it for the same things, and those things need to be fought for and supported by all. If you're so unhappy with your current situation, then by all means, apply for a new job. But don't get sauced and spout your ignorance on the internet. Otherwise you just sound like a few of the "undesirables" I have to work with on occasion.
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Sorry Alge, I think I might have posted this on another thread, in reply to your response above. Anyway here I go again...Alzheimer's...seems like a disease CX management are suffering from -
You mean something along the lines of:
"Cathay pilots exploited as Asian Underdogs!"
Whilst American and European employed pilots enjoy conditions that suitably reward their long struggle to achieve that elusive and highly responsible position of 'caretaker of aircraft and contents', Asian pilots - and in particular, Cathay Pacific pilots - are denied recognition of this same responsibility.
Cathay management have refused to acknowledge (that) their pilots' precious (human) "cargo" is worth the same financial value as western countries' passengers, by attempting to force that airline's (Cathay's) cockpit crew to accept lesser conditions than their American and European counterparts!
Is a Chinese passenger's airfare, life, and right to technical expertise, any less than a citizen of a non-Asian country?
Shall I continue...or would you gents like to enlist some PROFESSIONAL help??
You mean something along the lines of:
"Cathay pilots exploited as Asian Underdogs!"
Whilst American and European employed pilots enjoy conditions that suitably reward their long struggle to achieve that elusive and highly responsible position of 'caretaker of aircraft and contents', Asian pilots - and in particular, Cathay Pacific pilots - are denied recognition of this same responsibility.
Cathay management have refused to acknowledge (that) their pilots' precious (human) "cargo" is worth the same financial value as western countries' passengers, by attempting to force that airline's (Cathay's) cockpit crew to accept lesser conditions than their American and European counterparts!
Is a Chinese passenger's airfare, life, and right to technical expertise, any less than a citizen of a non-Asian country?
Shall I continue...or would you gents like to enlist some PROFESSIONAL help??
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Emdeeeighty---
<being a pilot and a devout unionist go hand in hand>
Well my friend, I can think of at least a hundred guys who would think your statement is a load of rubbish.
Hmmm, think you are totally misinformed.
If this is the second "action" by the CX guys.....maybe third time lucky.
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<being a pilot and a devout unionist go hand in hand>
Well my friend, I can think of at least a hundred guys who would think your statement is a load of rubbish.
Hmmm, think you are totally misinformed.
If this is the second "action" by the CX guys.....maybe third time lucky.
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Emdeeeighty....full of crapola...ask all the former braniff, frontier, and eastern how great the union is...wait 'till good old alpo screws you once or twice then let's hear you start crying...
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Yet another intelligent post from Maxalt. After a quick search of your previous posts it appears that you have nothing better to do than flame individuals or companies.
Maxalt, if you have nothing sensible to say, then don't bother at all, particularly on a thread like this where people's futures may well be at stake.
There's enough as*holes out there without adding your name to the list...
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Maxalt, if you have nothing sensible to say, then don't bother at all, particularly on a thread like this where people's futures may well be at stake.
There's enough as*holes out there without adding your name to the list...
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Augustus - I came across this article on their union's website a few days ago. Cathay's salaries don't appear to stack up that well compared to other airlines.
salary figures
For the record, I don't (and never have) worked them and had nothing to do with '89. Just trying to bring some reality and objectivity into the debate.
salary figures
For the record, I don't (and never have) worked them and had nothing to do with '89. Just trying to bring some reality and objectivity into the debate.
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Would be interesting to compare the whole package provident fund, housing school alowances etc...etc...while the salaries sure don't compare to a us major airline for sure, all the goodies must make it reasonably close...
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If the guys at Cx feel itīs not enough then itīs NOT ENOUGH ! They have no interest in destroying their livelihood ,the rostering situation ,for all you wannabees who donīt know the downside is dire,maybe it isnīt only money,prhaps itīs about respect ,& whatever they can achieve can only benefit us all.So stop the jealousy crap & start looking at your own contracts...AAhhh feel much better now! good luck Cisco..
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Hi what_the_hell...
maxalt is the alter ego of one 'Compton', an alleged Ryanair driver.
If I was a Ryanair pilot I'd be feeling pretty ashamed and disgusted at the bile from this guy. It's rather surprising that no-one in FR has yet told him to shut up.
Perhaps his attacks on ALT crews amuse his comrades.
Unfortunately you CX folk are now attracting his attention.
You can rest assured that there is much sympathy here in ALT for the CX guys. We wish you the best of luck. Your struggle is ours too...don't forget we are 'oneworld' partners.
maxalt is the alter ego of one 'Compton', an alleged Ryanair driver.
If I was a Ryanair pilot I'd be feeling pretty ashamed and disgusted at the bile from this guy. It's rather surprising that no-one in FR has yet told him to shut up.
Perhaps his attacks on ALT crews amuse his comrades.
Unfortunately you CX folk are now attracting his attention.
You can rest assured that there is much sympathy here in ALT for the CX guys. We wish you the best of luck. Your struggle is ours too...don't forget we are 'oneworld' partners.