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Euro-ATC. Fly Milan-LHR frequently and always a relief to leave Italian airspace! 
However one question - when climbing through your airspace WHY are there SO many frequncy changes. We seem to get clearance up a couple of flight levels then have to contact the next frequency for higher. I'm sure we talk to about 6 Geneva frequencies in about 5 mins!!
In contrast, out of London will get 2 frequency changes, and maybe only 3 throughout the whole of France.
I'll keep a listen out for you.
regards.
However one question - when climbing through your airspace WHY are there SO many frequncy changes. We seem to get clearance up a couple of flight levels then have to contact the next frequency for higher. I'm sure we talk to about 6 Geneva frequencies in about 5 mins!!
In contrast, out of London will get 2 frequency changes, and maybe only 3 throughout the whole of France.
I'll keep a listen out for you.
regards.
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I know what you mean, there are alot of sectors in Geneva.. well first off, if you are coming from MILAN, here are the possible sectors
ground-FL 260
FL 270-310
FL 330-350
FL 370 +
When you get to MOLUS you have basically the same thing, the "MOLUS sectors" cross all the even altitude traffic over MOLUS and the "MILPA" sectors cross all the uneven altitude traffic over MILPA. Very good system actually.
You are coming from MILAN, climbing to FL240 or 260.. the first sector talks to you, gives you a new code and a route clearance...frequency change, next sector climbs to 310, then gets you a higher level if requested, then you switch to another sector usually for about 1 minute then to another then to Paris or Reims
Hope it's clear
ground-FL 260
FL 270-310
FL 330-350
FL 370 +
When you get to MOLUS you have basically the same thing, the "MOLUS sectors" cross all the even altitude traffic over MOLUS and the "MILPA" sectors cross all the uneven altitude traffic over MILPA. Very good system actually.
You are coming from MILAN, climbing to FL240 or 260.. the first sector talks to you, gives you a new code and a route clearance...frequency change, next sector climbs to 310, then gets you a higher level if requested, then you switch to another sector usually for about 1 minute then to another then to Paris or Reims
Hope it's clear
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Gosh, now I'm confused
Sounds familiar though!
Ok, think I've got it....Dug a couple of old flight logs:
Initial climb to 240
125.27 first Freq.
Then 125.55 - squawk change
then 135.85 to FL290
then 133155 (French?)
Molus is on the return from Milan, Milpa on the way in. Thanks for the info.
Do you HAVE to speak French to French pilots? It helps everybody else's situational awareness if you don't. I thought being a multi-lingual country you might use English as standard.
Sounds familiar though!
Ok, think I've got it....Dug a couple of old flight logs:
Initial climb to 240
125.27 first Freq.
Then 125.55 - squawk change
then 135.85 to FL290
then 133155 (French?)
Molus is on the return from Milan, Milpa on the way in. Thanks for the info.
Do you HAVE to speak French to French pilots? It helps everybody else's situational awareness if you don't. I thought being a multi-lingual country you might use English as standard.
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Close..
Departure from MILAN.125.27 climb to 240
switch to Geneva 125.55 climb to 260, route clearance
switch to Geneva 126.05, further climb to 310
if you climb higher this same sector will give you the level (350?) then you switch to 133.630, then after crossing MOLUS you switch to 133.155 then off to Paris
if you do no go higher than FL 310 you stay on 126.05, cross MOLUS and Geneva on 134.85 then off to Paris
French is used on all frequencies here, some Air France speak english but we speak french to anyone that calls us in french, quite a change for me coming from Toronto Canada
Departure from MILAN.125.27 climb to 240
switch to Geneva 125.55 climb to 260, route clearance
switch to Geneva 126.05, further climb to 310
if you climb higher this same sector will give you the level (350?) then you switch to 133.630, then after crossing MOLUS you switch to 133.155 then off to Paris
if you do no go higher than FL 310 you stay on 126.05, cross MOLUS and Geneva on 134.85 then off to Paris
French is used on all frequencies here, some Air France speak english but we speak french to anyone that calls us in french, quite a change for me coming from Toronto Canada
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Been operating into out of LIML and LIMC and actualy haven't found the Italian ATC anything other than polite and helpful, sometimes a bit busy, but on the whole as good as anywhere else in Europe. Used to find Greece a bit of a problem but I think it was more a question of their equipment limiting what they could do. Reckon most of the time the people down below do a pretty good job although like everything else in life there is the occasional guy/girl who is having a bad hair day. Agree with the comment made on the new frequencies though, big mouthful and sound quality of some of them absolutely crap.
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EuroATC,
I have really no problems to understand all of you at GVA ACC! (Maybe, it's because I did some of my training in the US.)
How many Canadians are you there?
Keep up your good job, guys!
I have much more troubles in Spain to understand these guys overthere. It's not only the accent but also their poor transmission. Sometimes I feel that the controllers aren't that fluent in English. (Once we heard an ELT going off so I told the controller; he let me reapeat my message several times and at the end of all those attempts to tell him what happend he just replied with "Roger". Not very encouraging in case something "non-standard" happens.)
autobrakemedium,
US controllers do an outstanding job! They provide an excellent service even to a "small" VFR traffic and treat 'em like the "big-ones"! I haven't seen such a service here in Europe.
I have really no problems to understand all of you at GVA ACC! (Maybe, it's because I did some of my training in the US.)
How many Canadians are you there?
Keep up your good job, guys!
I have much more troubles in Spain to understand these guys overthere. It's not only the accent but also their poor transmission. Sometimes I feel that the controllers aren't that fluent in English. (Once we heard an ELT going off so I told the controller; he let me reapeat my message several times and at the end of all those attempts to tell him what happend he just replied with "Roger". Not very encouraging in case something "non-standard" happens.)
autobrakemedium,
US controllers do an outstanding job! They provide an excellent service even to a "small" VFR traffic and treat 'em like the "big-ones"! I haven't seen such a service here in Europe.
